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Theme of the GE will be Freedom vs Fascism.
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General Election - December 12th, 2019
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BobKowalski
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We'll see Len, desperate times mean desperate measures and a post October election may not be as cut and dried as you think...
So we need a quick election because Johnson boxed himself into a corner and is now desperate for a way out? Kind of sounds like the thinking behind ‘we need an EU referendum to get UKIP off our backs’.
You reckon the Consevatives will ever get round to thinking about what’s best for the country or is it always about what’s best for the Party? Wouldn’t mind but the dumb fuckers can’t even get that right.
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So we need a quick election because Johnson boxed himself into a corner and is now desperate for a way out? Kind of sounds like the thinking behind ‘we need an EU referendum to get UKIP off our backs’.
You reckon the Consevatives will ever get round to thinking about what’s best for the country or is it always about what’s best for the Party? Wouldn’t mind but the dumb fuckers can’t even get that right.
Oops, we seem to have shit the bed, can’t believe Labour won’t do the laundry for us...
jay_mcfc
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The latest Survation poll shows the Cons just a few points ahead of Labour. With potential alliances with the SNP, Plaid, Greens and possibly Lib Dems.... welcome to no.10 Mr Corbyn, we’ve been expecting you!
Rascal
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It is the inherent Tory belief that they are the natural party of Government, they believe the country should change to suit the party not the party should change for the good of the country. That arrogance is at last proving to be there downfall, as there vision of what the country should be is no longer relevant. They know there time is up and they are clinging on for dear life in a last ditch attempt to mould the country in to the parties image. Johnson is the epitome of Toryism, a man of privilege who believes in the right of a narrow strata of the populaces right to govern. He believes in his right to govern as it is inbuilt into the nations consciousness that only a few at the very top of society have the prerequisite skills to control the nation. They have exercised that control through their powerful friends in the print media for generations, but the new generation rely on social media and the Tories cannot control social media and as a result the new generation see the Tories for what they are. It is no surprise that they want an election at a time when Universities are on half term, they think that will lessen the damage to their vote but they don't understand that social media over rides location and spreads like wildfire across the nation. Labour understand that, the Tories put chicken memes up on twitter or have the miserable joke that was the American funded Turning Point disaster as their front.
The last election showed where Corbyn is most effective, he campaigns, he enthuses people, they warm to his message and flock to mass meetings announced across social media, the Tories meanwhile visit farms and pull Bulls around by the nose in a desperate attempt to appeal to what they believe is there core vote. They have lost the big cities, Manchester thank fuck is a Tory wasteland, which always surprises me as here has loads of Tories on here but perhaps they are just desperately clinging to the long gone notion that it is the Tories who have their best interests at heart. I believe that reality will kick in, the smears will fail, the Marxist accusations will be laughed at, the old Tory arguments are dead, because people are sick to death of austerity,they are sick of being treated as second class citizens, they are sick of Tory failure, they are sick of incompetence and they are fed up to the back teeth of the arrogance and self serving attitude of people like Grayling, IDS, Gove, Johnson et al.
Labour are not running scared of an election, they have played the long game and they are close to destroying Johnson with his arrogant assumptions that he is the rightful PM pf our country, the other parties are seeing that collaboration serves the nation not the singular idealism of Tory toffs like Mogg, a man so removed from the harshness of a working class existence, he is Pluto to Labours Mercury. Corbyn the decent man will shine because the country wants fairness, it doesnt want to be seen as a nation of nationalistic hubris, it wants the simple things in life, it wants a fair days pay for a fair days work, it wants decent working conditions, it wants an NHS fit for purpose, it wants to feel safe on the streets, it wants public services that repsond to its needs, it wants affordable housing, cheaper rents, a decent chance at an education, a proper welfare state safety net for when times are hard, roads that dont break there 10 year old cars suspension, ambulances that arrive when needed, prisons that punish the nefarious, armed forces that we can proud of, homelessness eradicated, foodbanks extinguished, libraries museums and thearte's kept open so culture can thrive as the working class appreciate cultural enhancement too. We want buses that run on time, we want trains that serve our needs, we want utilities that dont rip us off, we want pensioners to be respected and cared for properly, we don't want to work until we drop dead, a weeks holiday in Blackpool, full stomachs, local shops, community centres, decent parks, playing fields for our kids and yes we don't mind paying a bit extra tax to pay for it all. You see its not about the individual, its not all about the entrepreneur or the Banks or the stock market, its about the people and the people have had enough.
We deserve better than what has been served up by this government, a government riven by selfish desires, vested interests and outside influences. We don't ask much we just want a fair chance at life, an equal opportunity to shine and for that we desperately need a Labour Government and we need Jeremy Corbyn.
It will be hard, the smears will become hysterical, the print media will ridicule Corbyn at every turn and venerate Johnson because he is there man, Johnson is not our man, he is the man of the few and we are the many, so get rid of him, get rid of the malignant Farage as well, get rid of the right, they are not this country, the people are this country and we should fuck them off for good.
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You reckon the Consevatives will ever get round to thinking about what’s best for the country or is it always about what’s best for the Party? Wouldn’t mind but the dumb fuckers can’t even get that right.
It is the inherent Tory belief that they are the natural party of Government, they believe the country should change to suit the party not the party should change for the good of the country. That arrogance is at last proving to be there downfall, as there vision of what the country should be is no longer relevant. They know there time is up and they are clinging on for dear life in a last ditch attempt to mould the country in to the parties image. Johnson is the epitome of Toryism, a man of privilege who believes in the right of a narrow strata of the populaces right to govern. He believes in his right to govern as it is inbuilt into the nations consciousness that only a few at the very top of society have the prerequisite skills to control the nation. They have exercised that control through their powerful friends in the print media for generations, but the new generation rely on social media and the Tories cannot control social media and as a result the new generation see the Tories for what they are. It is no surprise that they want an election at a time when Universities are on half term, they think that will lessen the damage to their vote but they don't understand that social media over rides location and spreads like wildfire across the nation. Labour understand that, the Tories put chicken memes up on twitter or have the miserable joke that was the American funded Turning Point disaster as their front.
The last election showed where Corbyn is most effective, he campaigns, he enthuses people, they warm to his message and flock to mass meetings announced across social media, the Tories meanwhile visit farms and pull Bulls around by the nose in a desperate attempt to appeal to what they believe is there core vote. They have lost the big cities, Manchester thank fuck is a Tory wasteland, which always surprises me as here has loads of Tories on here but perhaps they are just desperately clinging to the long gone notion that it is the Tories who have their best interests at heart. I believe that reality will kick in, the smears will fail, the Marxist accusations will be laughed at, the old Tory arguments are dead, because people are sick to death of austerity,they are sick of being treated as second class citizens, they are sick of Tory failure, they are sick of incompetence and they are fed up to the back teeth of the arrogance and self serving attitude of people like Grayling, IDS, Gove, Johnson et al.
Labour are not running scared of an election, they have played the long game and they are close to destroying Johnson with his arrogant assumptions that he is the rightful PM pf our country, the other parties are seeing that collaboration serves the nation not the singular idealism of Tory toffs like Mogg, a man so removed from the harshness of a working class existence, he is Pluto to Labours Mercury. Corbyn the decent man will shine because the country wants fairness, it doesnt want to be seen as a nation of nationalistic hubris, it wants the simple things in life, it wants a fair days pay for a fair days work, it wants decent working conditions, it wants an NHS fit for purpose, it wants to feel safe on the streets, it wants public services that repsond to its needs, it wants affordable housing, cheaper rents, a decent chance at an education, a proper welfare state safety net for when times are hard, roads that dont break there 10 year old cars suspension, ambulances that arrive when needed, prisons that punish the nefarious, armed forces that we can proud of, homelessness eradicated, foodbanks extinguished, libraries museums and thearte's kept open so culture can thrive as the working class appreciate cultural enhancement too. We want buses that run on time, we want trains that serve our needs, we want utilities that dont rip us off, we want pensioners to be respected and cared for properly, we don't want to work until we drop dead, a weeks holiday in Blackpool, full stomachs, local shops, community centres, decent parks, playing fields for our kids and yes we don't mind paying a bit extra tax to pay for it all. You see its not about the individual, its not all about the entrepreneur or the Banks or the stock market, its about the people and the people have had enough.
We deserve better than what has been served up by this government, a government riven by selfish desires, vested interests and outside influences. We don't ask much we just want a fair chance at life, an equal opportunity to shine and for that we desperately need a Labour Government and we need Jeremy Corbyn.
It will be hard, the smears will become hysterical, the print media will ridicule Corbyn at every turn and venerate Johnson because he is there man, Johnson is not our man, he is the man of the few and we are the many, so get rid of him, get rid of the malignant Farage as well, get rid of the right, they are not this country, the people are this country and we should fuck them off for good.
gordondaviesmoustache
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At least David Cameron will be enjoying politics again.
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Con plus BXP is unchanged at 46% in that poll suggesting that in spite of all the shit going on in Parliament there would probably be enough for them to get a majority government if there was an alliance between the two.The latest Survation poll shows the Cons just a few points ahead of Labour. With potential alliances with the SNP, Plaid, Greens and possibly Lib Dems.... welcome to no.10 Mr Corbyn, we’ve been expecting you!
The only way to fully ensure that we get rid of these self serving twats is for Labour to change their leader to someone who is not anathema to a large proportion of the population. Corbyn’s biggest service to the country would be to resign. Whether he deserves his unpopularity among the population is irrelevant, it’s a fact that’s holding Labour back.
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So we need a quick election because Johnson boxed himself into a corner and is now desperate for a way out? Kind of sounds like the thinking behind ‘we need an EU referendum to get UKIP off our backs’.
You reckon the Consevatives will ever get round to thinking about what’s best for the country or is it always about what’s best for the Party? Wouldn’t mind but the dumb fuckers can’t even get that right.
How about showing respect that the man simply wants to deliver what was voted for in the referendum. It is that simple?
jay_mcfc
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Con plus BXP is unchanged at 46% in that poll suggesting that in spite of all the shit going on in Parliament there would probably be enough for them to get a majority government if there was an alliance between the two.
The only way to fully ensure that we get rid of these self serving twats is for Labour to change their leader to someone who is not anathema to a large proportion of the population. Corbyn’s biggest service to the country would be to resign. Whether he deserves his unpopularity among the population is irrelevant, it’s a fact that’s holding Labour back.
No, it doesn't work like that. In the survey Cons are 29% and Brexit 17%. Labour 24%, LD 18% and Greens 3%. But that doesn't include the 50+ seats the SNp will win or plaid's 4/5.
Labour and the snp, plaid and greens will go very close to beating Con/Brexit without needing LD.
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That assumes the BP get seats. With their 17%, they may get a couple but its more likely that 17% cost tories and maybe some labour seats but lets in Liberals, it also doesn’t factor in any of the expelled tories standing and taking more tory votes in some seats. The polling figures won’t be very indicative of seats won this time.No, it doesn't work like that. In the survey Cons are 29% and Brexit 17%. Labour 24%, LD 18% and Greens 3%. But that doesn't include the 50+ seats the SNp will win or plaid's 4/5.
Labour and the snp, plaid and greens will go very close to beating Con/Brexit without needing LD.