General Election - December 12th, 2019

[Prestwich_Blue]

Just woke up.

What possible reason does Corbyn have not to resign immediately?

He presumably wants to make sure he fixes it for someone like-minded to get the job. Polly Toynbee summed it up perfectly in today's Guardian. Corbyn, his clique and Momentum were more interested in securing power in the Labour Party than securing power in the country.

 

[GaudinoMotors]

Actually feel slightly sorry and nostalgic for the Labour party, completely taken over by Marxists and school standard politicos - little Owen Jones types etc.
They need to start a new party because I can't see them being ousted now.

 

[George Hannah]

They absolutely don't want us to leave... it sets a dangerous precedent

Brexit is their existential issue - what the EU will turn into is anybody's guess now. It can't afford to continue dispensing current levels of largesse to the poor fringe satellites from its gilded undemocratic palaces.

 

[Metal Biker]

I'm in London at the moment and just got out of a taxi. Asked the Taxi driver if he was happy this morning or pissed off.

He said happy - which surprised me a bit. He went on to say he's a lifelong Labour voter as are his family. His son and daughter-in-law are both teachers who have always voted Labour.

But he said he voted Tory, his relatives didn't vote. And here's the interesting thing - they all voted Remain in the referendum. They are Labour remainers. He said they were all deeply torn but just could not stand Corbyn or McDonnell and some of the idiotic policies and could not bring themselves to vote for them.

I can concur with the taxi drivers sentiments.

Lifelong Labour supporter, who has at times shifted to Lib Dems. Never voted Tory, neither has family. None of us voted Labour this time around. Most of us are 'content' with today's Conservative landslide. Because 'hope' exists in that Labour, infested with Momentum's poison, is dead. It's been rejected.

Labour has the chance to come back, but only if it sheds it's negative influences and returns to the Labour we all supported as we grew up. The thing is, i've been alive to see the "tactics" of politics as a young man and I see how often the Tories are painted as the "bad guys" and the hyperbolic language used to present that image. It's genuinely pissed me off that Labour has stooped to these tactics when it's meant to be the party with integrity, or used to be.

The simple fact is, despite others telling me I "should" be, I don't fear this Conservative Government, I don't fear Boris as PM, I don't fear anything they've claimed. Boris has an open net; genuinely invest in the NHS, genuinely assist the social issues surrounding homelessness and food banks, he has an unapposed majority to change the Tory Party's image amongst the moderates. He does that, and it could easily be 20 years of Conservative Government rule, whilst Labour licks it's wounds and decides what kind of party it really wants to be going forward.

 

[Chippy_boy]

Seriously mate, as you may gather, I'm pleased with the results, but I'm also cognisant of the need for a credible
opposition, I have voted Labour in the past, although I doubt I would again, but this Momentum shower, who get to pick who they
want are a serious worry. Some sort of rule change is needed, but I don't see how, and it's very concerning.

They are in a dire position for sure - and nothing to do with having lost this GE actually. Their problems run much deeper in that.

The Tories interestingly are also riven, split between hard liner, hard Brexit, far right zealots like Redwood, Francois, Rees Mogg and on the other side, the moderates.

However, more by luck than judgement, they have found themselves with a moderate in charge. Boris is no Peter Bone, for example. I expect the likes of the above named MPs are going to be in for a bit of a shock.

 

[GaudinoMotors]

Apparently the 3 word phase did it. Get Brexit Done.
How about 3 yrs of "Bollox to Brexit" ? Putting stickers on kids in St Anne's Square then complaining about the use of "betrayal"

 

[Hoghead]

The last time City won a major competition under a Labour Government was in 1976 if anyone wants to look on a brighter side of the election result!

 

[Chippy_boy]

Apparently the 3 word phase did it. Get Brexit Done.
How about 3 yrs of "Bollox to Brexit" ?

Tried that, from 2016 until now. Didn't work.

 

[Cheesy]

Has anyone checked on @Vic. I'm a bit concerned for his welfare.

 

[Metal Biker]

They are in a dire position for sure - and nothing to do with having lost this GE actually. Their problems run much deeper in that.

The Tories interestingly are also riven, split between hard liner, hard Brexit, far right zealots like Redwood, Francois, Rees Mogg and on the other side, the moderates.

However, more by luck than judgement, they have found themselves with a moderate in charge. Boris is no Peter Bone, for example. I expect the likes of the above named MPs are going to be in for a bit of a shock.

I do hope Boris takes a sensible approach to Brexit.

His withdrawal agreement does appear to find a balance and he doesn't need the threat of no deal anymore, not with his majority.

Secure a WA with the EU, spend the next few years negotiating a trade deal with the EU, enter into trade deal negotiations with the US, and he'll have my backing. I just hope he doesn't go gung-ho about things, but I don't see that he would.