This is the crux of it for me. It's been suggested on here that Brexit-supporting Tory MPs scuppered the vote on the deal but there are far more Remain-supporting MPs in the HoC. You only have to look at the graphic showing how many Labour MPs voted against it. If they'd all voted in favour of that deal then it would've pissed in and No Deal would be consigned to history.
In a constitutional crisis where government is paralyzed, how can you possibly advocate not allowing the people to have a say because you personally won't like the result?!
Labour are not in power, they are a million miles from power. The reason we are in this mess is BECAUSE of Labour's absence in opposition for three years.
Labour could of prevented no deal on three occasions and consistently voted for no deal instead. The beauty of their position is they now plan to bring back the deal they voted against up against remain!! Unbelievable.
I hold the view that I no longer care what the result is. I just want it sorted and if the people have their say then that result is never wrong regardless of what it is.
Those opposing know what the result will be and they are essentially holding the public and the will of the public in contempt. The arrogance and elitism is just astounding.
It's laughable to even think that a complete about turn on leave to remain isn't going to affect Labour much.Mate, there are plenty of manifesto pledges that have been broken on all sides down the years but this topic dwarfs all those in terms of the amount of people who voted. Changing their stance from Leave to Remain is going to annoy and confuse a lot of Labour voters for sure, and it isn’t a minor titbit in a manifesto that can be swept under the carpet.
Check out the election result, his vision of nuclear disarmament went the way it was predicted to go,Check out the manifesto Michael Foot stood on and you will see what a visionary he actually was. Thatcher enacted some of his policies and he foresaw that there would be a majority to leave the EU.
I supported Unilateral disarmament, I attended CND marches as a 12 year old and remain committed to CND today. Nuclear weapons are of course a separate debate, but why on earth would you want to spend Billions on a weapon you can never use, whilst decimating the conventional forces that you can is beyond me.
They couldn't .... because the 'deal' that was on the table failed to meet the promises made by the Conservative ministers in the run up to the referendum (the six tests) and essentially failed to protect jobs / services / peoples rights.
In a constitutional crisis where government is paralyzed, how can you possibly advocate not allowing the people to have a say because you personally won't like the result?!
Labour are not in power, they are a million miles from power. The reason we are in this mess is BECAUSE of Labour's absence in opposition for three years.
Labour could of prevented no deal on three occasions and consistently voted for no deal instead. The beauty of their position is they now plan to bring back the deal they voted against up against remain!! Unbelievable.
I hold the view that I no longer care what the result is. I just want it sorted and if the people have their say then that result is never wrong regardless of what it is.
Those opposing know what the result will be and they are essentially holding the public and the will of the public in contempt. The arrogance and elitism is just astounding.
Check out the election result, his vision of nuclear disarmament went the way it was predicted to go,
down the pan. This Labour now has a leader with identical views, but without the intelligence, and is further
to the left, but it's very much like 1979 in many respects.
What a doofus!
Very much like 1979? Jim Callaghan? I suppose when you know bugger all it gets a bit confusing.
In a constitutional crisis where government is paralyzed, how can you possibly advocate not allowing the people to have a say because you personally won't like the result?!
Labour are not in power, they are a million miles from power. The reason we are in this mess is BECAUSE of Labour's absence in opposition for three years.
Labour could of prevented no deal on three occasions and consistently voted for no deal instead. The beauty of their position is they now plan to bring back the deal they voted against up against remain!! Unbelievable.
I hold the view that I no longer care what the result is. I just want it sorted and if the people have their say then that result is never wrong regardless of what it is.
Those opposing know what the result will be and they are essentially holding the public and the will of the public in contempt. The arrogance and elitism is just astounding.
That mysterious will of the people trotted out I see. The fall back position of the desperate. The will of the people for what it is worth was ambigious and unclear, and I will repeat it is because the referendum was unclear and it was flawed.
To blame the Labour Party is ridiculous, they are not the government and to suggest it is their fault shows a total lack of understanding of how our democracy works. A lack of opposition is opposition in itself, because that lack is not confirmation and if you cannot see that well I don't really know what to add. You then confound your own critique with saying Labour did confirm no deal by their vote, that is absolute hypocrisy and totally devoid of thought. They either did or they didn't, they cannot do both as you suggest.
I have long held the neutral view which is different to the not caring view, I dont oppose leave nor do i confirm remain, that position is because i believe in Parliamentary democracy and not direct democracy. Yet you no longer care whilst also accusing those who are responsible for our parliamentary sovereignty elected by that mysterious will of the people are elitist and arrogant. That is utter nonsense.