General Election - December 12th, 2019

[M18CTID]

No one on here did apparently. I sometimes wonder why the man bothers. Still you voted with him so I guess he’ll take that.

With a vote on only 2 possible outcomes, it stands to reason that there will be a myriad of cunts backing each campaign. Fuck all one can do about that. Then again, I've just heard that that wife beating twat Boycott voted to Leave as well. I wish I'd voted Remain now

 

[Gareth Barry Conlon]

Have you noticed who's leading the Labour Party these days?

Corbyn is the devil incarnate to all Tory voters. Any Tory Remainers so disenfranchised with the Tories will vote LibDem, not Labour. I'm serious, I can't remotely imagine Labour will pick up any significant number of would be Tory voters whatsoever. If half the Labour voters can't stand him - what chance does he have of gaining Tory votes? Nil.

Labour have no pool from which to get any extra votes. So they'll get less than last time, for certain. The only question is whether the Tories will do even worse, but at the moment, it doesn't look like it.

Agree with the view on Labour - Net less votes and less seats seems certain. The big plus on that will be the end of Corbyn. He must resign if he gets less votes and fails to win a majority.

However a quick look at the stats:

65% of Labour voters voted to remain. Labour are right to be soft at best on brexit. Of the 35% that voted leave I would bet a good number will never contemplate voting Tory. Much more likely to vote BXP. So there is a limit to those Labour voters that BoJo is chasing. If the BXP stand the brexit swing gets split, the Lib Dems do not really feature in these brexit heartlands so a bit of tactical voting and BoJo could really struggle to make a dent.

61% of Tories voted to leave. The 39% that didn't are much more likely to abandon BoJos hard brexit party than a leave equivalent labour voter. Take 40% off every safe Tory seat and none of them are safe, BoJo would lose his own seat with 40% of his voters staying away.

People bang on about the leave vote all the time. The remain vote is just as strong, if not stronger and more likely to vote tactically to remove leaver MP's. The Lib Dems will gain more tory seats than tories will gain Labour seats.

 

[Rascal]

Sounds exactly like what I'm considering doing at the next GE ;)

I voted Leave after much deliberating but I didn't listen to anything Farage had to say. The Labour Leave campaign was a lot more constructive than what the main Leave players had to say, but unfortunately it got next to no publicity

Sadly Labour leave was virtually ignored by the media and characterised as irrelevant by the powers that be. Whether this was because the media was in thrall to the ERG Nutjobs and Fruitcake Faragists or not I am not so sure.

 

[Rascal]

Then you voted to leave if you wrote it near the Remain option. If near the Leave option then you voted to Remain. When a count is close ballot papers spoilt in this way can be counted if intent to vote in a particular can be demonstrated. If the count isn’t close then no one bothers.

I wrote it on the back ;))

 

[bluejon]

Sadly Labour leave was virtually ignored by the media and characterised as irrelevant by the powers that be. Whether this was because the media was in thrall to the ERG Nutjobs and Fruitcake Faragists or not I am not so sure.

From what I remember, Labour Leave should be ignored by anyone with half an understanding of the world we now live in. Banging on about how the EU was a capitalist institution that was evil, when leaving will only cause our society to be even more capitalist, and at the full mercy of the City of London. Dumbasses.

 

[M18CTID]

I wrote it on the back ;))

The ink soaked through to the front though

 

[Hesperus]

Not really - it would depend on the make up of that hung Parliament as to its views on things like Brexit

We will see I guess but the current polling suggests a very similar split. I think the Tories and labour will all end up losing seats to the Brexit party and the Lib Dem’s. Parliament should be given the opportunity to sort itself out with a Election but if we end up in the same position, parliament needs to face reality very, very quickly.

 

[Gareth Barry Conlon]

From what I remember, Labour Leave should be ignored by anyone with half an understanding of the world we now live in. Banging on about how the EU was a capitalist institution that was evil, when leaving will only cause our society to be even more capitalist, and at the full mercy of the City of London. Dumbasses.

I would agree but with a slightly different view.

Anyone on the left with an ounce of sense will understand that Brexit will always be an Alt Right project that will be designed to weaken the very things that unions have fought for over many decades. It will create an economic turmoil that will be used to justify a huge shift to a light tax + light regulation economy that does nothing for workers at the bottom of the heap.

Lefties that back brexit are naive to the extreme.

 

[Rascal]

From what I remember, Labour Leave should be ignored by anyone with half an understanding of the world we now live in. Banging on about how the EU was a capitalist institution that was evil, when leaving will only cause our society to be even more capitalist, and at the full mercy of the City of London. Dumbasses.

A disagreement I had with my best mate, who is avid remain.

The EU is a Capitalist club and only by leaving that club could a true Socialist government enact real Socialist policies without Capitalist restraint was the argument, one I have real sympathy with as well, but you are correct that the danger of leaving the Capitalist club is that the UK is free to be even more Capitalist. Its why I would have definitely have voted leave if we withdrew under a Labour Government but couldn't bring myself to vote leave under the current government allied with the Faragists. They desire a neo-liberal utopia and an economic system akin to that of the USA, which I believe is alien to the UK because of our traditions of the NHS and Welfare state. Austerity laid the ground work for a quick and easy move to the American economic model based on the level of spend of GDP. Ours almost mirrors there's already.

Whether Capitalism is evil or not is another argument but I certainly think it lacks compassion.

 

[bluejon]

I would agree but with a slightly different view.

Anyone on the left with an ounce of sense will understand that Brexit will always be an Alt Right project that will be designed to weaken the very things that unions have fought for over many decades. It will create an economic turmoil that will be used to justify a huge shift to a light tax + light regulation economy that does nothing for workers at the bottom of the heap.

Lefties that back brexit are naive to the extreme.

We're basically on the same page then. My issue with the lexit crowd was their belief that this could lead to some kind of socialist utopia, which is bollocks for exactly the reasons you have outlined about.