General Election - December 12th, 2019

[The perfect fumble]

17.4 million people voted to leave. Of those who didn't there are many who find the defiance of democracy intolerable. Those 2 demographics far outnumber the hardcore remainers who claim to be anti-no deal. Their cover was blown long ago. A manifesto of "taking back control of parliament" "enacting the will of the people" will piss a GE.

Is that you Dominic?

 

[BobKowalski]

17.4 million people voted to leave. Of those who didn't there are many who find the defiance of democracy intolerable. Those 2 demographics far outnumber the hardcore remainers who claim to be anti-no deal. Their cover was blown long ago. A manifesto of "taking back control of parliament" "enacting the will of the people" will piss a GE.

The current Parliament, which the executive cannot control, is the ‘will of the people’. The people fucking voted for it in 2017.

 

[BobKowalski]

The Brexit Party is a single issue spoiler party, but Johnson has stolen the Brexit Party's clothes and Farage knows it.

Farage will only stand if he thinks Johnson is going to betray hard Brexit, and even if he does suspect Johnson is up for betrayal, he's hardly going to screw Johnson over and let Corbyn in.

Farage will never say it, but when push comes to shove he'll make a calculated decision that half a loaf is better than none.

Not convinced but we will find out soon enough I guess.

 

[The perfect fumble]

Farage has already committed to fighting every seat and has been taking money of prospective candidates who intend to stand.

He has built a machine (albeit in a shady / cheap way) to fight every seat. Is he really going to back track from that and stand down in the biggest pro brexit contests and refund money to people who think they are being lined up as candidates...

Yes he will.

What is the point of diluting the Tory vote?

Answer = None

 

[Gareth Barry Conlon]

17.4 million people voted to leave. Of those who didn't there are many who find the defiance of democracy intolerable. Those 2 demographics far outnumber the hardcore remainers who claim to be anti-no deal. Their cover was blown long ago. A manifesto of "taking back control of parliament" "enacting the will of the people" will piss a GE.

No - it will piss a number of already Tory constituencies. It wont do anything for many battleground seats as it is the politics of the hard right and that approach wont win over Labour voters or liberal voters - it will push them away.

 

[Ban-jani]

Probably because he fears Boris might very well win a GE and then have a strong mandate for Brexit on any terms. Ref2 might well see Brexit killed off.

I think there's no chance of a second referendum at this point however.

No there isn’t you’re quite right, “People’s Vote” is absolutely dead.

 

[Gelsons Dad]

The current Parliament, which the executive cannot control, is the ‘will of the people’. The people fucking voted for it in 2017.

They all stood on leave manifestos and failed to back the deal or no deal. They have exposed themselves as hypocrites to everyone who voted to leave or voted for a parliament that agreed to carry out the will of the people. This is the first time they will have to answer for their actions.

 

[cibaman]

Farage has already committed to fighting every seat and has been taking money of prospective candidates who intend to stand.

He has built a machine (albeit in a shady / cheap way) to fight every seat. Is he really going to back track from that and stand down in the biggest pro brexit contests and refund money to people who think they are being lined up as candidates...

They can field a candidate in every seat but be very selective about which seats they devote their resources and efforts. The money and campaigning will go to those seats where they're targetting Labour.

 

[The perfect fumble]

Not convinced but we will find out soon enough I guess.

The Brexit Party existed to stiffen Tory resolve for Brexit, the harder the better.

That resolve is now stiffened! Nay engorged!

Johnson's Tories are the Brexit Party, Farage brings nothing to the game now, except the ability to piss on Johnson's chips.

 

[Gareth Barry Conlon]

They can field a candidate in every seat but be very selective about which seats they devote their resources and efforts. The money and campaigning will go to those seats where they're targetting Labour.

Just having them on the ballot will put a big dent in the tory pro brexit vote, maybe only 5 - 15% of any vote share but enough to kill off any Tory surge. Farage has never done ground level campaigning - that is in part why he has never won a single seat. He does however run a strong central campaign based around a brand and a single policy. At the next GE the harder he pushes the more votes BoJo/tories lose - it is that simple.