General Election - December 12th, 2019

[bluethrunthru]

The price for a Brexit/Tory pact is the Tories committing to a no deal Brexit and not attempting to leave with a deal. At that point there is no difference between the two parties so where does that leave the 30% or so of Tory voters who are Remainers? Or Scottish Tories who support the Union something the Brexit Party would ditch in heartbeat? Come to think of it what is in this for the Tories? What do they get out of being tied to a single issue party?

Also a GE may start out about Brexit but will end up on austerity, NHS, social care and all the other issues. The last GE was called to give May a Brexit mandate. Labour talked about everything but Brexit. Single issue elections always get sidetracked into other issues.

Johnson also has to be prepared to have his reputation trashed when it starts - lies that cost him his job as a journalist - where did the money go on the garden bridge - how many children do you have in total Mr Johnson - why did you discuss with a friend having a journalist beaten up - how many affairs did you have whilst married to your now estranged wife - what happened in your flat that night the Police were called - why did you lie about proroguing Parliament whilst at the G7 when you knew all along the next day you were going to do so - why did you lie about having a GE when the plan all along was to force one?

Thats just a few of the questions that can be put to him - get Eddie Mair on the job

 

[BobKowalski]

Voting for someone else mate.

Yeah. So to repeat my question. What’s in this Brexit Party pact for the Tories then?

 

[SWP's back]

Where I am? 66% Remain, according to wikipedia.

Then you’re right, no one’s taking that seat off Labour.

 

[SWP's back]

Yeah. So to repeat my question. What’s in this Brexit Party pact for the Tories then?

Eh? Isn’t it obvious?

 

[TheRemainsOfTheDave]

Just found out that the Radcliffe wards I live in have been moved from the very interesting Bury South constituency to be combined with Farnworth. Not even in the same borough. Shite.

 

[BobKowalski]

Because Corbyn wants to leave.

Yeah. So the last thing Labour will do is talk about Brexit. Why assume the voters want to talk about Brexit? Everyone is sick to death of Brexit. On day 1 of the campaign Labour will say they respect the referendum, will negotiate a deal and put that to the people. Day 2 it’s austerity, NHS, police cuts, social care, bus services, utility profits rip off, trains, infrastructure, NHS the Tories want to sell it to Trump and did we mention the NHS?

And repeat for six weeks.

 

[SWP's back]

Yeah. So the last thing Labour will do is talk about Brexit. Why assume the voters want to talk about Brexit? Everyone is sick to death of Brexit. On day 1 of the campaign Labour will say they respect the referendum, will negotiate a deal and put that to the people. Day 2 it’s austerity, NHS, police cuts, social care, bus services, utility profits rip off, trains, infrastructure, NHS the Tories want to sell it to Trump and did we mention the NHS?

And repeat for six weeks.

I think you underestimate how much some people a) want to leave the EU b) will see this as a second referendum.

 

[BobKowalski]

Eh? Isn’t it obvious?

No.

The price for a pact is the Tories committing to a no deal Brexit. Not Brexit with a ‘surrender’ deal. How is that a viable strategy in Scotland, Wales, urban areas or even Labour seats in the North with Labour focusing on the NHS etc and banging on about the Tories selling the NHS to Trump in a no deal Brexit? How is that viable in the SW England which went from LibDem to Tory in 2015 with LibDems back in the game and their bollocks to Brexit message?

 

[Ban-jani]

Because Corbyn wants to leave.

I think they tried to be all things to all people and got it wrong.

Corbyn now realises this and he won’t get it wrong again.

My concern is the remain vote being split between Labour and the Lib Dems.

 

[waspish]

All parties should just put in there mandate that there will be another referendum.