Girl cryogenically frozen

[gordondaviesmoustache]

If it does work, even if in 1000 years, the time inbetween the second she died and the second she wakes back up will feel like nothing to her. Imagine how weird that would be! Closing your eyes surrounded by humans then opening a them a second later surrounded by robots or aliens.

Not that weird. I spent much of my early 20's waking up in places I didn't recognise!

 

[waspish]

http://qz.com/99413/first-ever-human-head-transplant-is-now-possible-says-neuroscientist/

 

[dadnlad]

so was REUNITED shit ?

 

[TFC]

There will be nothing left in a 1000 years time, WW3 will see to that.

#optimist

 

[Tricky Dickys Right Foot Shot]

Would you die of hypothermia before you were fully frozen? Would they realise you had died of hypothermia after they had defrosted you from the fully-frozen state?

I've no idea how that shit works tbh! I assume you'd have some sort of protection to avoid that sort of thing? but to be honest I would think that cryogenic freezing would still be in test stages and probably could potentially kill you depending on how your body reacts, but like I've said, if you're already dying of a incurable disease then what's the risk?

 

[kaz7]

It all doesn't really sit comfortably with me. I understand maybe using it for medical reasons for example to see if they can cure a certain illness in years to come but for people to actually seek to be frozen and pay ££ to ensure that they're frozen just says it all about how each generation is becoming less humble or dignified.

Sounds like the future will be full of frozen no marks who have a huge sense of self importance and too much cash that they can't spend.

That last bit of your post is so wrong ,people donating their bodies to medical science so dr's could learn more about the body and for the medical students to learn on was frowned upon but is now no big deal,this is just another step into future research and i'm guessing will also be the norm,even if they can't be brought back to life then future medical research will benefit from their bodies

 

[Manchester33]

No mate.
The patient has to be clinically dead before these charlatans can do anything. For a cancer patient to die the organs including the brain need to get to a point where they cannot produce a heart beat. That will be some time after the last breath and has to be long enough that when the cryo-salesmen start oxygenating the brain it does not revive the patient. You are not allowed to murder someone in order to freeze (yes I said it) them so a) they got to be dead enough for a doctor to sign them off and b) they have to be even more dead such that you don't accidentally revive them. All of that process has to take place at a core temperature high enough that they are not hypothermic.

Now, when people fall through frozen lakes and suffer cardiac arrest and hypothermia there is a very small chance that they may be revived beyond 30 minutes but it is very small and those few that are are likely to be in a vegetative state. That is healthy people with a sudden shock. Their organ function including the brain hasn't been deteriorating over a prolonged period. Anyone who has seen someone die of cancer will be aware of Agitated terminal delirium. This neurological symptom is the brain slowly loosing function and it's not fun to watch, trust me.

Whatever is being cryogenically preserved it is not the person who was alive and will never be.

Define death though? These companies use the following analogy - it's 1950, you're walking down the street and suddenly you have a heart attack, drop to the floor and stop breathing. The ambulance arrives and says, 'yep, this person is dead'. If that happens today, they use CPR and in a lot of cases they resuscitate you. That's one example of how 'death' is a spectrum as opposed to a definitive state someone is in.

There's a difference between being 'fucked' and being 'dead'. If the same thing happened in the middle of the jungle, you're fucked and will most probably die, whereas if you're in a specialist unit at Wythenshawe hospital you're probably going to be alright.

The point you're making is basically saying that 'everyone who is officially signed off is beyond hope, even when considering future science'. Fortunately, you're most likely wrong. Not in all cases (if you're head is ran over by a truck and your brain splattered into a million pieces, yeah, you're probably screwed), but it's impossible to say that the brain is beyond repair in every case. Even with what you're talking about with 'agitated terminal delirium' - how do you know that by the year 3000 AD there won't be science available to cure the person? A cryonicist would say the more 'fucked' your brain is, the longer it will take science to be able to cure it'.

I think you're massively underestimating how advanced science will be in the future.

If you want to go into whether or not that person 'will really be that person', that's a whole different kettle of fish and one that it's impossible to talk about scientifically (with modern science).

 

[Gelsons Dad]

Define death though? These companies use the following analogy - it's 1950, you're walking down the street and suddenly you have a heart attack, drop to the floor and stop breathing. The ambulance arrives and says, 'yep, this person is dead'. If that happens today, they use CPR and in a lot of cases they resuscitate you. That's one example of how 'death' is a spectrum as opposed to a definitive state someone is in.

There's a difference between being 'fucked' and being 'dead'. If the same thing happened in the middle of the jungle, you're fucked and will most probably die, whereas if you're in a specialist unit at Wythenshawe hospital you're probably going to be alright.

The point you're making is basically saying that 'everyone who is officially signed off is beyond hope, even when considering future science'. Fortunately, you're most likely wrong. Not in all cases (if you're head is ran over by a truck and your brain splattered into a million pieces, yeah, you're probably screwed), but it's impossible to say that the brain is beyond repair in every case. Even with what you're talking about with 'agitated terminal delirium' - how do you know that by the year 3000 AD there won't be science available to cure the person? A cryonicist would say the more 'fucked' your brain is, the longer it will take science to be able to cure it'.

I think you're massively underestimating how advanced science will be in the future.

If you want to go into whether or not that person 'will really be that person', that's a whole different kettle of fish and one that it's impossible to talk about scientifically (with modern science).

I know what their sales wank says. It's hokum!

 

[DiscoSteve]

There's a difference between being 'fucked' and being 'dead'. If the same thing happened in the middle of the jungle, you're fucked and will most probably die, whereas if you're in a specialist unit at Wythenshawe hospital you're probably going to be alright.

Not guaranteed at Tameside General of course.... ;-)

 

[SWP's back]

Nope. You're missing the point. She died because her organs were fucked. They will still be fucked a thousand years from now.

You're not following. Science is already close to the stage where new organs can be grown through stem cells. There is every chance you could have a brand new set of her own organs grown for her if she was able to be defrosted in 100 years etc.