Hillsborough - The Search for Truth

[TheMightyQuinn]

Know your enemy.

 

[Hamann Pineapple]

as a collective we behaved as animals and were treated as such

Precisely the attitude taken by the police

 

[Ducado]

as a collective we behaved as animals and were treated as such

Precisely the attitude taken by the police

But many did and we all got tarred with the same brush, I never caused trouble or got involved in it, but I was still classed the same, it was off it's time and things have now changed for the better

 

[blueish swede]

As a collective we were treated as animals and some started to behave as such

 

[mancityvstoke]

as a collective we behaved as animals and were treated as such

Precisely the attitude taken by the police

and total bollocks. Stereotyping at its best.

 

[Ducado]

As a collective we were treated as animals and some started to behave as such

That's one way of looking at it, but remember the hooliganism that had led to all the barriers and segregation

 

[Prestwich_Blue]

Conservative PM makes a statement blaming the police but conveniently forgets about Thatchers demonising of football supporters at the time and her probable influence over the police statements and that vile newspaper report.

Lets get a few things straight here, this was the most appalling tragedy and the cover up made it worse, but for many years previously the behaviour of British Football fans had been an appalling a stain on the nation, the game was dying on it's feet, families were afraid to go to games and violence was rife, and nothing was changing (I remember being chased by a load of Stanley knife yielding scoucers and a coming close to death in Stoke) So don't anyone post this rosy picture and turn this into a class thing, as a collective we behaved as animals and were treated as such, the only surprise is that this had not happened earlier, I remember (I think it was Wolves or Leicester) where I thought that if people got out alive from the tiny section we were in it would have been a miracle such was the crush, as for getting in without tickets it was rife at nearly every ground, so no one actually knew how many were actually in there, we have come a long way since then

You're right that people were frightened to go to football games but it was a minority that caused the problem. Sadly it took events like Heysel & Hillsborough to act as catalysts for change. Thankfully we don't go to watch games these days and go in fear of our lives as we did back in the bad old days.

But I went to the FSF's 'Watching football is not a crime' meeting a few months ago and it's clear that, in the eyes of the police, in spite of all the good work they've done it actually still is regarded as such by many of them.

One of the findings of today's report is that they were more worried about crowd control than crowd safety. To a large degree that's understandable but that still seems to be the attitude today.

 

[BigJoe#1]

As was posted here earlier and without casting any aspertions on anyone in the crowd, the real victims here were the people who sadly died and their families. These were also the people who were most likely not to be drunk or ticketless, given that they were at the front it follows that they arrived there early and had tickets. Furthermore these were the people who most needed protection by the authorities.

The issue that caused the incident pressure outside the stadium was the responsibility of the Police, when for whatever reason the pressure built up the police should have had operation plans to deal with it. Mistake 2 was opening the gates to releive the pressure, that only made a bad situation in the stadium worse and mistake #3 was not posting a row of coppers in front of the tunnel which would have forced the incoming supporters down the side gates to the side pens.

The point of this post is to make it absolutely clear that people like the Hicks girls and the children who were crushed were in absolutely no way to blame for what happened. That badge belongs to the authorities who were paid to do the job.

Please can you bear this in mind when you speak of the supporters in terms of being responsible for their own predicaments.

 

[sir baconface]

first of all i am no drama queen, just a cynical old bloke who generally expects the worse because that is what life serves up
Today, i was sat in my car listening to Cameron with a sense of bemusement. I knew no-one at hillsborough, or even anyone who knew someone, yet as he listed the findings, i shed a few involuntary tears, i just cannot imagine what the families and friends of the victims must have gone through.
Right, there were some disappointments for me, i was hoping the coroner who declared the cut-off time would be damned for his decision, that the senior police officers involvement in freemasonry would be mentioned regarding the seemingly endless blocks they were able to put in the way of any meaningful investigation. Judges, CPO's, coroners seem to have their own laws/lodge
Kelvin Mackenzie, was employed by News Corp, they were the main and most persistent agent of the police lies, and they have not been called to account and made to explain why they acted as they did.
The F.A. and SWFC had an easy ride, choice of venue, allocation of ends, safety certificate, no explanation.

You know how these things work, bellbuzzer. Most of those involved will be long retired on big fat pensions courtesy of the taxpayer. Some have died. The establishment always looks after its own.

 

[mackenzie]

Apart from the fact he didn't say it.

Really?
He was the Editor wasn't he?
Bit like Kelvin MacKenzie at The Sun then.

My last reply to you as we are getting told off, I think there is a world of difference between an editorial opinion piece and a headline such as the one which carried greavous lies as opposed to ignorant but unfortuantely commonly held misconceptions that were spread by the police.

You may disagree but that's life.

@TCM, can fella and have done. :-)

Perhaps Boris shouldn't have spread himself so thinly then, if your opinion is to be given credence that is.

I still think his comments were those of a complete and utter git and showed his complete arrogance and ignorance.