How do we resolve the Brexit mess?

[blueinsa]

I appreciate that, but do you believe that EU membership would be less likely or more likely this time?
The EU was understandably lukewarm ahead of the vote in 2014, but the world now is markedly different.

I'll be listening carefully to what is said in Brussels this time and comparing it with what was said then.

I think less likely and given the financial rules any membership of the EU would impose on Scotland, any talk of more control from Holyrood is a bit pie in the sky imo.

If it’s going well up here it’s down to devolution and the SNP. If it’s not then those 2 facts are airbrushed away and it’s Westminster to blame and the government. That’s simply not true or right as many of the failings we see up here are very much due to devolved SNP policy and budgets I’m afraid. I can only imagine how much worse they would be without a favourable Barnett formula because the tax income simply does not cover spend and never will.

I don’t see the EU saying never mind, we will foot the shortfall!

 

[halfmist]

QE
took away free education
brexit

Don’t just list, without expanding on your points just a little bit,it’s difficult to side with you. How has QE affected you.
I thought Education was free up to 18. Having to pay towards it after that for some degrees that will never lead to a job in that particular field perhaps makes students think twice about starting it and then dropping out when they get bored.
How did Brexit change your life?

 

[Magicpole]

Haha the poor Brexit we're getting is remainers fault. They could at least own up to any fuck ups. But are our Brexit govn now saying Brexit isn't working?

They’re the only ones who aren’t. But, they’re lying bastards to a ****.

 

[Gabriel]

I think less likely and given the financial rules any membership of the EU would impose on Scotland, any talk of more control from Holyrood is a bit pie in the sky imo.

If it’s going well up here it’s down to devolution and the SNP. If it’s not then those 2 facts are airbrushed away and it’s Westminster to blame and the government. That’s simply not true or right as many of the failings we see up here are very much due to devolved SNP policy and budgets I’m afraid. I can only imagine how much worse they would be without a favourable Barnett formula because the tax income simply does not cover spend and never will.

I don’t see the EU saying never mind, we will foot the shortfall!

I really don't see it as being less likely. The EU is intent on assimilating as many potential members as possible, and it would do whatever is reasonable to get Scotland in the fold. It takes the long view.

 

[halfmist]

I think with good reason there are a few in here whose hatred of the Tories is such, a Scottish vote for independance would be welcomed.

You can see the reasoning on these threads as they try to explain why it would work for them despite those reasons going against almost everything they said as to why brexit wouldn’t mate.

They called brexit correctly, they shouldn’t then do a 180 and get Scottish independence so badly wrong imo when it’s based on the exact same nationalism they despise so much.

If a Scottish vote for independence does ever go through, the English opposition Party’s are doomed, because without the Scots Nats always voting against anything theTories propose, they will always be the Party in the majority.

 

[blueparrot]

I appreciate that, but do you believe that EU membership would be less likely or more likely this time?
The EU was understandably lukewarm ahead of the vote in 2014, but the world now is markedly different.

I'll be listening carefully to what is said in Brussels this time and comparing it with what was said then.

I would guess, the 2 things that the parties supporting an independence vote would want in place before any vote are certainty on currency and EU membership, because they know those two things were a big part of the reasons the vote failed last time and could well be the difference makers in another vote.

 

[dave_blue12]

If a Scottish vote for independence does ever go through, the English opposition Party’s are doomed, because without the Scots Nats always voting against anything theTories propose, they will always be the Party in the majority.

Always is a very long time and everything changes over time. Past performance is no guarantee of the future.

 

[bluethrunthru]

I really don't see it as being less likely. The EU is intent on assimilating as many potential members as possible, and it would do whatever is reasonable to get Scotland in the fold. It takes the long view.

You mean politics is about more than outlasting the current news cycle? Has Johnson been told?

 

[Saddleworth2]

I tried to point that very fact out but no, he doesn’t get it in fact, many on here, remainers seemingly salivate at the prospect of Scottish independence despite it being a mirror image of brexit with even far worse and deeper reaching repercussions for us all if it went through.

Strange old world….

its not really mate. Not if you look at it as an escape from an utterly corrupt, evil, regime that has every chance of getting another term in office. When did it become an acceptable part of the UK national values to try and send asylum seekers trying to escape from atrocity in their own country to Rwanda? What happened to us that the Tories actually believe that that will be a vote winner? There are some very different forces at play in comparison to the decision to leave the EU. Forces that don't just depend on economics although, of course they are important.

 

[blueinsa]

its not really mate. Not if you look at it as an escape from an utterly corrupt, evil, regime that has every chance of getting another term in office. When did it become an acceptable part of the UK national values to try and send asylum seekers trying to escape from atrocity in their own country to Rwanda? What happened to us that the Tories actually believe that that will be a vote winner? There are some very different forces at play in comparison to the decision to leave the EU. Forces that don't just depend on economics although, of course they are important.

We don’t have a Tory government, we have a SNP government. We are run by a devolved government and Parliament. We raise our own taxes, we decide how our money is spent. We run our own NHS and our own education service, judiciary, housing, economy, transport, equal opportunities, social services and environmental.

What exactly are we trying to escape here?