How do we resolve the Brexit mess?

[The Light Was Yellow Sir]

exactly, so the eu is happy to have possibly member states not want to put the vote to its population due to "look at what we will/can do"

I don’t think that’s right. What you would hope this would demonstrate to any EU member government isn’t that ’leaving is impossible’ but leaving without any plan, whatsoever, is foolhardy in the extreme.
If Mogg, Johnson, Davis and Farage had accepted it would be a complete shit show without a plan, formulated a plan and put that to the vote, that would have been fair enough. Actually, even them admitting it would be a shit show and there’d be absolutely no economic benefit whatsoever, going abroad would be more difficult and we’d be desperately short of workers, but encouraged people to vote for it anyway, and then they’d won, would have been entirely reasonable. But, of course, they didn’t.
Still instead of the Polish dentist, the Romanian nurses and the German doctors, we will be getting thousands of non contributing Asian students which, in all likelihood, isn’t what Burnley/Sunderland man voted for……

 

[Corky]

RMT sets out six key reasons for leaving the EU

TRANSPORT UNION RMT today set out six key reasons why it will be advising members to vote to the leave the EU in the forthcoming referendum:

www.rmt.org.uk

 

[The Light Was Yellow Sir]

RMT sets out six key reasons for leaving the EU

TRANSPORT UNION RMT today set out six key reasons why it will be advising members to vote to the leave the EU in the forthcoming referendum:

www.rmt.org.uk

Just goes to show how the workers doffed their caps to the Toffs, as they’ve done since time immemorial, sadly.
Largest flow of wealth, from poor to rich, in history over the last 3 years and still working class people support them!

 

[MillionMilesAway]

Let’s see where the narrative is next spring after the winter of discontent on top of all these small inconveniences.

When Brexit problems are bleeding out of multiple wounds, it’ll be hard to plaster over them all at the same time.

True.
I do wonder which brick will be the first to fall out of the wall - the Times must be very confused, knowing that it's twaddle yet under the Murdoch thumb.

 

[Gabriel]

Should never of left but now we are the government need to get on with it!

Be as self sufficient as possible as a country with power, manufacturing and food!

Yet that rather flies in the face of what the politicians in favour of Brexit have argued for all along. They don’t want greater self-sufficiency. They instead want greater internationalisation and trade, which therefore calls for greater (inter)dependency. As I’ve mentioned before, the world its proponents envisaged in 2015-16 has irrevocably changed, yet they cannot admit that now for fear of the whole edifice falling.

 

[Allnightlong]

RMT sets out six key reasons for leaving the EU

TRANSPORT UNION RMT today set out six key reasons why it will be advising members to vote to the leave the EU in the forthcoming referendum:

www.rmt.org.uk

So it wasn’t just Tory scum c u next Tuesdays who voted for brexit then?

 

[jimmy blue shoes]

So it wasn’t just Tory scum c u next Tuesdays who voted for brexit then?

No, racists of all political persuasions did!

 

[The perfect fumble]

So it wasn’t just Tory scum c u next Tuesdays who voted for brexit then?

There is a left wing case for leaving the EU, but no one was making it that mattered, none of the left wing points featured in any of the polls and no political party of any note made its case.

There is no evidence whatsoever that it made a blind bit of difference.

 

[Allnightlong]

There is a left wing case for leaving the EU, but no one was making it that mattered, none of the left wing points featured in any of the polls and no political party of any note made its case.

There is no evidence whatsoever that it made a blind bit of difference.

These RMT members and extended families could have been the difference.

 

[west didsblue]

RMT sets out six key reasons for leaving the EU

TRANSPORT UNION RMT today set out six key reasons why it will be advising members to vote to the leave the EU in the forthcoming referendum:

www.rmt.org.uk

Here's the reasons given in that link.
1. Leave the EU to end attacks on rail workers
2. Leave the EU to end attacks on seafarers and the offshore workers
3. Leave the EU to end attacks on workers’ rights
4. Leave the EU to end Austerity
5. Leave the EU to stop the attack on our NHS
6. Leave the EU to support democracy
Can anyone honestly say that things have improved in any of those areas. Look at the current strikes primarily about workers rights, the situation at P&O, the state of the NHS and I haven't noticed any sign to the end of Austerity, just tax rises, poorer services and people with less money. As for the "support democracy" we've now got a government that does its best to bypass Parliament and the courts and is about to appoint a new PM based on a members only election which includes anyone in the world of any nationality that has paid £25 to join the Conservative Party. Great demonstration of democracy. If the above reasons had any validity Brexit would have saved us from all of that.

The RMT were mugs if they believed any of that shite in 2016 and its members were mugs if they followed that advice just like all the people who voted Leave based on empty promises made by Johnson and his supporters.

 

[west didsblue]

These RMT members and extended families could have been the difference.

Don't be silly.

 

[babyape]

 

[peter.evans]

Here's the reasons given in that link.
1. Leave the EU to end attacks on rail workers
2. Leave the EU to end attacks on seafarers and the offshore workers
3. Leave the EU to end attacks on workers’ rights
4. Leave the EU to end Austerity
5. Leave the EU to stop the attack on our NHS
6. Leave the EU to support democracy
Can anyone honestly say that things have improved in any of those areas. Look at the current strikes primarily about workers rights, the situation at P&O, the state of the NHS and I haven't noticed any sign to the end of Austerity, just tax rises, poorer services and people with less money. As for the "support democracy" we've now got a government that does its best to bypass Parliament and the courts and is about to appoint a new PM based on a members only election which includes anyone in the world of any nationality that has paid £25 to join the Conservative Party. Great demonstration of democracy. If the above reasons had any validity Brexit would have saved us from all of that.

The RMT were mugs if they believed any of that shite in 2016 and its members were mugs if they followed that advice just like all the people who voted Leave based on empty promises made by Johnson and his supporters.

Those reasons are complete and utter bollocks !

 

[BobKowalski]

The red tape costs keep piling up…

 

[Vic]

Fair play to you mate, but in terms of the second part of this sentence, why wouldn’t they? I don’t understand why people get so worked up and/or are surprised by this. It seems an entirely natural reaction to our unilateral decision to leave their club. I don’t understand why anyone would expect any different. Divorces are messy affairs and tend to bring out the worst in the participants, even when both sides are largely blameless, especially when the finances are complicated.

I don't see anything as deliberate - it's EU holidaymakers and lorry drivers affected too - but I have no idea why anyone would expect France or other EU countries to spend a lot of money to make things easy. Brexit was not their choice.

 

[Postman Pep]

Not all bad :)

 

[Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese]

I see the usual suspects banging the drum for brexit are conspicuous by their absence from this thread. We warned you for two years all this would happen - own it you *****!
I'm going to trawl the old brexit threads and start a list of them, they should be held to account and made to justify their mess.

 

[Vic]

True.
I do wonder which brick will be the first to fall out of the wall - the Times must be very confused, knowing that it's twaddle yet under the Murdoch thumb.

Wasn't the Sunday Times always pro-Remain?

 

[Mr Kobayashi]

Wasn't the Sunday Times always pro-Remain?

Opposite way round. The Times backed remain and the Sunday Times backed Brexit.

 

[Mr Kobayashi]

Not all bad :)
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Why didn't Walter use this Brexit opportunity to serve English sparkling wine and happy British fish instead?