How far will the fall be before evasive action is taken?

The problem is that while the three goals were indeed soft and can't fairly be laid at the door of poor management one must consider the rest of the game.I still cannot bear to watch the game again but I reckon they should have scored at least 3 more goals and looked dangerous every time they crossed the half way line. On the contrary we caused them few problems and in general looked disorganised and unsure about what we were trying to do. That surely has to be at least partly the managers fault. I think Sunday could turn out to be one of Pelligrini's most defining games at City.

I wouldn't disagree that we were poor going forward. We have been poor going forward for some time now. Part of the issue with that though is that Silva's either injured or unbelievably out of form, and Toure is a man of diminishing returns with each passing hour. That means that the two players who in recent history have been key to our attacking play just aren't there at the moment. On top of that, there's a KDB sized hole in our play because whilst Toure/Silva weren't delivering but he was in the side, at least we had A N Other player who could deliver telling passes, crosses, etc. His injury put paid to that too.

None of that by the way, is to absolve Pellegrini of ultimate responsibility. As the manager of the side, no matter what the reasons for underperformance, he must ultimately take responsibility as it's his side. He needs to find solutions to injury crisis' to players being out of form, to teams exposing the same weakness in certain players. There are many things which he did on Saturday that I really didn't agree with. Both in terms of team selection, and team shape. I also fully agree about Sunday behind one of the most defining games in Pellegrini's time at City - but honestly we've been here before too. Particularly in the CL where we have gotten huge results under him in huge pressure situations.

One thing I don't agree with though, is when people say things like "If not for Joe Hart". Hart's a goalkeeper and is paid to make big saves. He isn't there to be a spectator so as last line of defence when he does his job I'm delighted, but that doesn't automatically mean there's something catastrophically wrong with the way we're playing. Any side who plays as high up the pitch as we do will be susceptible to counter attacks and will require the four defenders plus the g/k to do their jobs diligently. We're unlucky that our defenders can't do that rather than lucky that our g/k can.
 
As you say, the defenders cannot do that so why is he still leaving them so exposed? Which ever way you dress it up, it's not great management, is it?

Yes because he fully instructed Zaba and Fernandinho to make insane and stupid challenges on the half way line to leave the defenders exposed. Give over. I'm tired of people not analysing what actually happened and analysing what they want to have happened so they can use it as a stick to beat the manager with. We were shit against Leicester and the manager will carry the can. But the goals we conceded were soft as fuck and not because the defence was left exposed by a tactical system, but because senior international professionals made fucking horrendous decisions and then compounded those horrendous decisions by not even being able to actually carry out what they wanted to do ie. win the tackle.
 
Lose to spurs and its gonna be a long painful end to the season. The thing is we're in a fucking shit situation cause we can't get an interim cause the player wont give a shit about him as well. Basically got to wait the season out and pray the players put in a shift and we get lucky and win something. Tbh all I want to see is some bottle and fucking pride till the end of the season, not some fairy's slipping on there arses or lazy bastards not putting a shift in.
 
As you say, the defenders cannot do that so why is he still leaving them so exposed? Which ever way you dress it up, it's not great management, is it?
It isn't. If our defenders are being left exposed by the system and making mistakes, then the pragmatic answer is to tighten things up in front of them and maybe sacrifice some attacking intent. Leaving them exposed week after week and hoping they don't make mistakes is not good management. What's annoying is there are games where we have tightened up, such as in Seville and at Sunderland, and we won both.
 
First and foremost, in answer to the OP's question, there will be no evasive action. We've made our announcement, Guardiola is here next season, Pellegrini is in charge until then. We won't be replacing him before the season ends.

Our form has been pretty poor for a fair while, we're lucky that we started the season so well because, without those early wins, we'd be really struggling currently.

We won 7 of our first 9 league games, losing the other 2. Since then we've only won another 7 league games, drawing 5 and losing 4. So, that's 21 points from our first 9 games, and 26 points from the following 16 games, 2.33 points per game compared with 1.625 points per game. There's been a clear drop off. In fact, since beating Bournemouth in our 9th league game of the season we haven't managed back to back league victories. That's almost 4 months without back to back league wins. That's a truly damning statistic, and clearly points to a worrying lack of consistency from City.

Pellegrini is a professional football manager, his coaches are professional football coaches, they are clearly working on the defensive side of the game with City's squad, to suggest otherwise is simply idiotic. The issue lies in, specifically, what they are instructing the defenders to do. Whatever plans they have to deal with defensive situations they are clearly not working. Everyone involved in football will have their own style, their own ideas on how a defence should be drilled, how they should be structured. Pellegrini seems to prefer allowing individuals to take responsibility for their own actions, we are far less regimented defensively under him, with less cover, and certainly a less cohesive shape when we don't have the ball. I don't personally like it, but there's no reason, with the right personnel, it couldn't be effective. The issue we have is the we've not got the right personnel, both due to the recruitment of our defenders, and due to the injury issues we've had this season.

Pellegrini can't be blamed entirely for the recruitment, one suspects Begiristain probably has a bigger say in individual purchases/targets than Pellegrini does (that will likely change when Guardiola arrives) and many of our defenders have been inherited from Mancini's time at the club, and before that too. Clichy, Zabaleta, Kolarov and Kompany all predate Pellegrini, whilst Sagna and Demichelis were clearly FFP restriction driven signings, and Mangala and Otamendi both arrived with good reputations. Where I do blame Pellegrini is in his insistence on trying to fit square pegs into round holes. Our defensive players are not really suited to the tactics Pellegrini wants to employ, this means he has 2 options, replace the players, or replace the tactics, the third option of "just stick with the tactics and muddle through" shouldn't have even been in the equation, yet alone where we ended up. A distinct lack of tactical tweaking, to deal with specific sides, or specific players, both before, and during, games is also a constant frustration with Pellegrini. At times it seems as if he has his way of doing things and that's what we'll do, and if it isn't working then we'll just keep doing it and see what happens.

I suspect this season will pan out as follows:-

1 - We'll win the Capital One Cup, Liverpool aren't anything special and you'd hope our big players turn up for the cup final 9lthough Wigan proved this isn't always the case)
2 - We'll lose to Chelsea in the FA Cup, although this will likely be down to the FA's fucking ridiculous scheduling of the fixture and our squad choices off the back of this.
3 - We'll finish in 2nd place in the league, behind Arsenal in all likelihood. Spurs and Leicester have never had to deal wit the pressure of a title tilt, we have. I think both will start to drop some points, and we'll find a way of clawing our way past them both. Arsenal however have enough quality to get the results we seem incapable of getting.
4 - We'll have too much for Kiev in Europe, and then it's all down to the luck of the draw. If we get the Gent/Wolfsburg, Benfica/Zenit or possibly PSV/Atletico Madrid winners then we'd have a shot at making the semi final. If we get Real, PSG, Barca or Bayern then we'll go out.
 
It isn't. If our defenders are being left exposed by the system and making mistakes, then the pragmatic answer is to tighten things up in front of them and maybe sacrifice some attacking intent. Leaving them exposed week after week and hoping they don't make mistakes is not good management. What's annoying is there are games where we have tightened up, such as in Seville and at Sunderland, and we won both.

You're arguing in the face of the evidence from the weekend, which is frankly both disingenuous and baffling.
 
First and foremost, in answer to the OP's question, there will be no evasive action. We've made our announcement, Guardiola is here next season, Pellegrini is in charge until then. We won't be replacing him before the season ends.

Our form has been pretty poor for a fair while, we're lucky that we started the season so well because, without those early wins, we'd be really struggling currently.

We won 7 of our first 9 league games, losing the other 2. Since then we've only won another 7 league games, drawing 5 and losing 4. So, that's 21 points from our first 9 games, and 26 points from the following 16 games, 2.33 points per game compared with 1.625 points per game. There's been a clear drop off. In fact, since beating Bournemouth in our 9th league game of the season we haven't managed back to back league victories. That's almost 4 months without back to back league wins. That's a truly damning statistic, and clearly points to a worrying lack of consistency from City.

Pellegrini is a professional football manager, his coaches are professional football coaches, they are clearly working on the defensive side of the game with City's squad, to suggest otherwise is simply idiotic. The issue lies in, specifically, what they are instructing the defenders to do. Whatever plans they have to deal with defensive situations they are clearly not working. Everyone involved in football will have their own style, their own ideas on how a defence should be drilled, how they should be structured. Pellegrini seems to prefer allowing individuals to take responsibility for their own actions, we are far less regimented defensively under him, with less cover, and certainly a less cohesive shape when we don't have the ball. I don't personally like it, but there's no reason, with the right personnel, it couldn't be effective. The issue we have is the we've not got the right personnel, both due to the recruitment of our defenders, and due to the injury issues we've had this season.

Pellegrini can't be blamed entirely for the recruitment, one suspects Begiristain probably has a bigger say in individual purchases/targets than Pellegrini does (that will likely change when Guardiola arrives) and many of our defenders have been inherited from Mancini's time at the club, and before that too. Clichy, Zabaleta, Kolarov and Kompany all predate Pellegrini, whilst Sagna and Demichelis were clearly FFP restriction driven signings, and Mangala and Otamendi both arrived with good reputations. Where I do blame Pellegrini is in his insistence on trying to fit square pegs into round holes. Our defensive players are not really suited to the tactics Pellegrini wants to employ, this means he has 2 options, replace the players, or replace the tactics, the third option of "just stick with the tactics and muddle through" shouldn't have even been in the equation, yet alone where we ended up. A distinct lack of tactical tweaking, to deal with specific sides, or specific players, both before, and during, games is also a constant frustration with Pellegrini. At times it seems as if he has his way of doing things and that's what we'll do, and if it isn't working then we'll just keep doing it and see what happens.

I suspect this season will pan out as follows:-

1 - We'll win the Capital One Cup, Liverpool aren't anything special and you'd hope our big players turn up for the cup final 9lthough Wigan proved this isn't always the case)
2 - We'll lose to Chelsea in the FA Cup, although this will likely be down to the FA's fucking ridiculous scheduling of the fixture and our squad choices off the back of this.
3 - We'll finish in 2nd place in the league, behind Arsenal in all likelihood. Spurs and Leicester have never had to deal wit the pressure of a title tilt, we have. I think both will start to drop some points, and we'll find a way of clawing our way past them both. Arsenal however have enough quality to get the results we seem incapable of getting.
4 - We'll have too much for Kiev in Europe, and then it's all down to the luck of the draw. If we get the Gent/Wolfsburg, Benfica/Zenit or possibly PSV/Atletico Madrid winners then we'd have a shot at making the semi final. If we get Real, PSG, Barca or Bayern then we'll go out.

That's a top post Matty. Although I still think we'll win the league!
 
Yes because he fully instructed Zaba and Fernandinho to make insane and stupid challenges on the half way line to leave the defenders exposed. Give over. I'm tired of people not analysing what actually happened and analysing what they want to have happened so they can use it as a stick to beat the manager with. We were shit against Leicester and the manager will carry the can. But the goals we conceded were soft as fuck and not because the defence was left exposed by a tactical system, but because senior international professionals made fucking horrendous decisions and then compounded those horrendous decisions by not even being able to actually carry out what they wanted to do ie. win the tackle.
I am not just talking about the goals last week. We set up in a way that leaves our defence exposed, you just admitted it yourself "Any side who plays as high up the pitch as we do will be susceptible to counter attacks" yet in the same post you admit that those defenders who are being left exposed are not up to doing their job diligently. So seeing as you made both those points, is it good management to leave defenders who cannot do their jobs so exposed by continuing to use the high line?
 
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You're arguing in the face of the evidence from the weekend, which is frankly both disingenuous and baffling.
I've already said that the first and third goals were obviously preventable and I wouldn't blame Pellegrini directly for those. Apart from not having one of our smaller players on the post.

I'd love to know if there was any specific preparation or instructions in training but the goals came because Huth (to use a cliche) 'wanted it more'. Obviously I don't know what defensive drills are done in training currently but I do know that Pep will spend a morning a fortnight drilling the defence in hair-splitting detail.

I also know he may well play an even higher line that we do currently. But there will be strict instructions given to the defenders and the players in front of them as to what to do and where to be. I highly doubt that we would have given away a goal like the second one under Pep yet it's typical of the sort of goal we're conceding at the moment, where we surrender possession in midfield and our opponents have a free run (often with numerical superiority) through our midfield and defence. That happened a few times on Saturday but fortunately we only conceded from one.

You simply cannot deny that managerial failings (the word 'incompetence' was unwarranted) are playing a significant part in our failure to get the results we should be getting.
 

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