Independent Regulator Petition

[Shaelumstash]

That's it? That's the entire petition?

How does anyone, pro or con, know what this means, whether it's good or bad for City or anyone else? There are no details.

With all due respect -- and I mean that -- Yanks like me don't get this. It's vague. It's filled with meaningless platitudes.

I'm all for brevity, but I am not one who likes a lack of specifics when it comes to the subject of significant structural overhauls.

The entire future economic structure of the UK hung on 16 words in a referendum not long ago I vaguely recall.

16 words for a future.

Well, at least this one has 101.

So just to be clear, this isn’t a manifesto. It’s not a plan for the future of football.

It’s a petition for the independent governance of football to be debated on Parliament.

Under our political system, for something to become law, first it has to be debated in Parliament, then investigated, researched, an MP will come back with a proposal based on the findings, and then if a majority of MP’s vote on it, then it becomes law.

So this petition is not the actual proposal. It’s several stages back from that. This petition is just for it to be debated in Parliament.

If it reaches 100k signatures then it may be debated. And then comes the investigation, the findings, the proposal and then the vote.

 

[MAG]

So just to be clear, this isn’t a manifesto. It’s not a plan for the future of football.

It’s a petition for the independent governance of football to be debated on Parliament.

Under our political system, for something to become law, first it has to be debated in Parliament, then investigated, researched, an MP will come back with a proposal based on the findings, and then if a majority of MP’s vote on it, then it becomes law.

So this petition is not the actual proposal. It’s several stages back from that. This petition is just for it to be debated in Parliament.

If it reaches 100k signatures then it may be debated. And then comes the investigation, the findings, the proposal and then the vote.

Exactly ... so NOT a "Vote here to get Gill out of UEFA" ;)

 

[Jam Tomorrow]

Instinctively anything fronted by Ratboy, Plug and Spit is one to avoid.
football is a multi billion pound industry, who the fuck are corrupt politicians and self serving numpties to tell these businesses what to do.

 

[BlueMojito]

Done

 

[Shaelumstash]

Who the fuck is Alex Rolfe? ... it's all Gary Neville behind this, Alex has simply been a name put on the petition to look "independent" ... if that doesn't tell you what independent regulator the reds are pushing for, you need to open your eyes.

The whole merits of an independent regulator or not and what's good for English football and whether that is in line with what's good for City or if it's United and Liverpool again crying and trying to catch up to City via this new "independent" supervision which can impose some new form of FFP or other rules that help them is a different debate all together and I am happy to debate that separately.

What pisses me off here is the false and misleading title given to the thread originally "Vote to get David Gill out" and posted this petition which is all Gary Neville has been campaigning for ... that was crap ... half the people who went on to vote and first few pages all saying done, done, done, didn't even read it and just went by the title and what the OP had said that to get Gill off UEFA etc sign this ... how the fuck this petition get Gill or anyone off UEFA or G14 or the ECA?

So while OP's intentions might have been right and whatever or maybe he/she didn't know themselves but you don't go on a City fans forum and post something that mis-leading ... people when they have all the info, it's up to them that they sign it or not ... 100k is nothing and other clubs members, United alone would probably make up the nos. and as far as this petition is concerned it doesn't matter if we sign it or not ... as I said that's a totally separate debate.

As for Gary Neville, the only thing he cares about is his Salford club that he is an owner of now and that's all this is originating from. He had absolutely no objections to anything till it hit him that ESL and big clubs leaving (with the money) would destroy the clubs lower down (and him directly) and the dream of already having rolled up to League 2 to climb up further would be jeopardized by that ... nothing else mattered to him ... try and read in between the lines and when he's speaking, just think for a minute what he's all about.

Mind you, all these clubs (United, Liverpool, Real Madrid, Juventus and co.) will all gang up again very soon to try and bring new FFP or new regulations that doesn't allow Groups of Clubs like City (whatever they can to stop us from dominating and eating into their money pots, and their future fan bases) ... the biggest worry they have is a decade more of City on top (and Chelsea) and they'd all become the clubs of old, the likes they replaced a few decades ago ... Villas, Forrests is where United and Liverpools will fall down to the level of and all "new" fans, kids of today growing up ... will be all City or Chelsea ... that's what scares them the most ... ten years from now, or twenty if City sustains the kind of success they had in 70s and 80s for Liverpool or 90s and 00s for United ... then it'll be all City fans everywhere, all kids growing up today, already for the past decade worldwide kids who have grown up with Agueeeerooooo moment etc. Add another decade of that and in 15-20 years you'd see all City fans in media houses, in newspapers ... the thing we complain about our media today is full of reds, well it'll turn all blue ... and that's what scares them and that's what they don't want ... again, a separate debate.

Sorry but our club is run just fine ... and we don't need an "independent" regulator to tell us what we can or can't do ... and it's not City's or City fans' job to save English football or other lower league (or red) clubs if they're run badly or their owners care more about their own pockets ...

I think you’re doing the people who signed the petition a bit of a disservice, they’re probably not as thick as you think they are.

The petition is about the independent governance of football. That was abundantly clear to anyone who clicked on the link, give people a bit of fucking credit for being able to read.

This paranoia delusion about Gary fucking Neville is getting completely out of hand and really needs nipping in the bud.

This petition is not for Gary Neville’s sweeping reforms of football that he’s dreamed up all by himself for the benefit of himself and Salford FC (both of them).

IT’S A PETITION FOR THE INDEPENDENT GOVERNANCE OF FOOTBALL TO BE DEBATED IN PARLIAMENT.

There are no reds under the bed. There is no trojan horse. There is no small print there to fuck City over.

It’s a petition for the government to investigate whether football governance as it is in this country is indeed “independent” and fit for purpose.

My view is, with David Gill in positions of influence in the FA and PL, that football governance is not independent and not fit fir purpose.

A vote for this to be debated in Parliament, could lead to an investigation in to the governance of football and specifically an investigation in to whether the governance is truly independent.

Any legitimate investigation would conclude that David Gill has a clear conflict of interest and could lead to his removal.

It’s important to remember, City are currently in an ongoing legal dispute with the PL where were are claiming that the governance is not independent.

The club’s position was made quite clear in the CAS case that moves to damage the club within the football governance at UEFA was “clear and orchestrated”.

It’s without question in City’s interest to have independent governance in football. But some would not be in favour because Gary Neville is. It’s fucking pathetic.

 

[Shaelumstash]

If this comes about they can look what is best for the game in England they can change an awful lot with the power they will have! You can tell me it’s an independent governance of football, we all know people who are well balanced intellectual change when they support a team you can’t even reason with them the football fan rears it’s head and then the city bingo comes out!

personally I wouldn’t trust them! We have been shat on far to long with rules to try to stop us in the last 10+ years..

This is precisely the point though mate.

The way football is governed currently is not independent.

It’s littered with people like Gill in positions of power with conflicts of interest, so it cannot be truly independent.

Signing this petition is not a vote for Gary Neville. It’s a vote for MPs to debate whether the current governance of football should be investigated.

 

[Shaelumstash]

Exactly ... so NOT a "Vote here to get Gill out of UEFA" ;)

And not a vote for Gary Neville to be Supreme Leader Lord Zod.

 

[stan bowles]

This is precisely the point though mate.

The way football is governed currently is not independent.

It’s littered with people like Gill in positions of power with conflicts of interest, so it cannot be truly independent.

Signing this petition is not a vote for Gary Neville. It’s a vote for MPs to debate whether the current governance of football should be investigated.

And who is going to be influencing any report from a review that will have recommendations attached to it ? There is influence at every level of the game and we know which clubs have the most leverage and influence. They will be the ones shaping the recommendations of any report. City aren't one of them however you want to dress it up.

 

[Bald fraud]

Great. Let’s get some fat cat politicians to dig their noses in the trough aswell. Isn’t Ed Woodward going into politics now aswell? Hmmmm what could go wrong!

 

[waspish]

This is precisely the point though mate.

The way football is governed currently is not independent.

It’s littered with people like Gill in positions of power with conflicts of interest, so it cannot be truly independent.

Signing this petition is not a vote for Gary Neville. It’s a vote for MPs to debate whether the current governance of football should be investigated.

yeah see that and on the Face Of it it’s a great idea my worry is like posted, if this comes about down the line they can look at things that they think is good for English football but will hamper us or stop what we are doing. Like investing buying clubs around the world or buying up all the best young players! Or look at owners if they a fit for purpose or further down the line they want a German type system! How will rules be voted on for changes?
If they were worried about clubs leaving for a super league well that now wont happen! Sorry I’m pretty suspicious of it all and where it could eventually end..