Ireland Leaving - Absolute Disaster

[Lancet Fluke]

Two years from now, my personel opinoin is that we will have overtaken them, but time will tell.

No, thats impossible. The only time we will have overtaken them, (think of what that word means), is when we win god knows whatever it is they have won since 1992. Until then all we can do is try to compete with them. As it stands united have not officially overtaken Liverpool as yet, league championship-wise anyway, however that looks like it will change cum May, a project which has taken Taggart 20 odd years to achieve. For us to overtake united they have to go to the depths of the 3rd tier, we have to win all the trophies they win, and better it. The truth is that in our lifetime we will not overtake them, but we can and perhaps will compete with them. You think how long it has taken the dippers to be looked upon as they are today from when they were winning everything. United will never have that demise because the success they have had means they will always win things in future, just like Barca and Real will never really fall from grace in Spain. Yes they might have the odd off couple of seasons and perhaps the odd trophyless one too, but they will never go on a total barron spell which will culminate in them becoming an ordinary club. Competing with united is what we can do, and I think we will soon see a situation where the PL, FA, LC will be fought for between us and united, AND the European cups will be fought for between Barca/Real from Spain, the usual suspects from italy and France and united and City from England. Chelsea's time will soon run out cos they simply don't have the prestige and history that united now have to carry the momentum onwards, just like Blackburns short time ended the way it did in the mid 90's. I reckon by 2016/2017, Chelsea will be another average Joe. Thats what sustained success gets you see, and that is why united will never be overtaken by anyone for many many years but our wealth and vision of the owners suggest we will be competing with them, hopefully more than Chelsea have this last 10 years or so.

Going on this theory, you would say that Huddersfield are ahead of us.

 

[dw7]

I can't say this story is bullshit as I posted the below last friday... so it must have a bit of truth in it....

levets
Post subject: Re: Another big clearout ahead this summer!Posted: Fri Mar 19, 2010 10:38 am


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There won't be a mass clearout, a couple of fringe players will move on and that's it. We've got the nucleus of a very good squad.


I have heard from a reliable source (GC via someone else, remaining nameless) that there will be a 'clear out' this summer and there will be a few shocks and some fans will definitely be unhappy. Of course no names mentioned, but shouldn't be hard to work out who...



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tevez and bellamy

 

[JoeMercer'sWay]

i can't be arsed reading 46 pages so here goes.

Stephen Ireland doesn't deserve to be in our first team because he hasn't played well enough to merit it. He had a very good season last year but has made very little effort to try and find his form and has churned out poor performance after poor performance.

The problem? I don't know, however all I know is if he leaves for United I'll forever hate him, and it will show he was never a blue. Arsenal fair enough, but he won't start there either or at Chelsea either. Liverpool is his best bet but then he won't play in the Gerrard role so he'll have to fight with Aquilani or Lucas for 1 CM role, he won't be happy wherever he goes.

Though to be honest, regardless of whether it's Mancini, Mourinho or someone else in charge we will buy more consistant top quality midfielders in the summer, he won't get a look in because he needed to back up this season with another top year. He hasn't, and unfortunately even though he may come back and get goals against us he won't be missed, because we don't miss him now basically when he's on the bench.

 

[bluefandk]

Two years from now, my personel opinoin is that we will have overtaken them, but time will tell.

No, thats impossible. The only time we will have overtaken them, (think of what that word means), is when we win god knows whatever it is they have won since 1992. Until then all we can do is try to compete with them. As it stands united have not officially overtaken Liverpool as yet, league championship-wise anyway, however that looks like it will change cum May, a project which has taken Taggart 20 odd years to achieve. For us to overtake united they have to go to the depths of the 3rd tier, we have to win all the trophies they win, and better it. The truth is that in our lifetime we will not overtake them, but we can and perhaps will compete with them. You think how long it has taken the dippers to be looked upon as they are today from when they were winning everything. United will never have that demise because the success they have had means they will always win things in future, just like Barca and Real will never really fall from grace in Spain. Yes they might have the odd off couple of seasons and perhaps the odd trophyless one too, but they will never go on a total barron spell which will culminate in them becoming an ordinary club. Competing with united is what we can do, and I think we will soon see a situation where the PL, FA, LC will be fought for between us and united, AND the European cups will be fought for between Barca/Real from Spain, the usual suspects from italy and France and united and City from England. Chelsea's time will soon run out cos they simply don't have the prestige and history that united now have to carry the momentum onwards, just like Blackburns short time ended the way it did in the mid 90's. I reckon by 2016/2017, Chelsea will be another average Joe. Thats what sustained success gets you see, and that is why united will never be overtaken by anyone for many many years but our wealth and vision of the owners suggest we will be competing with them, hopefully more than Chelsea have this last 10 years or so.

If the rags (and that is a big if) run out of money they wont win anymore trophies, in todays football money talks.

It is true however, that it would take a lifetime for us to better their tally trophy wise.

I just think, that we keep advancing the way we have been, it wont be long before we are the number one club in England, but time will tell.

 

[A_Bluemoon_Rising]

I think if Ireland did leave and went to another rival club it wouldn't matter if he terrorised us through the game we'd still win because of a vastly superior team that Bobbie Manc will have put together not the team Red-tarded Hughes botched out of 200+ million budget.

 

[ElanJo]

Re: Ireland Leaving - Absolutely Disaster

He's been in the 1st team for 5 years now, and has had one solid season, last year where he was spectacular tbf, albeit in a weak team. Has it never occured to any blues that SWP, Ireland and Robinho struggled to make an impact this year with better players around them, rather than looking good in a poor team last year?

I don't buy this "they've struggled due to having better players around them" cliche.

Ireland has struggled because we signed Tevez and changed formation. His confidence obviously waned by not performing as well in a deeper position. I also think that Ireland suffered from Robinho being injured and coming back under par. They had a great understanding and if you look at both of their highlights from last season almost all of their good play involved working off each other.

Robinho started off the season ok then got injured, came back unfit, couldn't adapt to playing with 2 men upfront, suffered a loss in confidence and became unhappy. Also Bellamy was on fire and far more suited to the left midifeld role than Robinho.

The only way I can see either (or both) Robinho or Ireland playing well for us to play with only 1 up front. They are probably the least adaptable players we've had since Ali.


SWP wasted 2-3 years of his career at Chelsea so I'm not surprised he hasn't made any progress since he left us (he's gone backwards if anything) Jose also turned him into a more negative player, looking to pass it sideways instead of running at his fullback.

 

[dw7]

Re: Ireland Leaving - Absolutely Disaster

He's been in the 1st team for 5 years now, and has had one solid season, last year where he was spectacular tbf, albeit in a weak team. Has it never occured to any blues that SWP, Ireland and Robinho struggled to make an impact this year with better players around them, rather than looking good in a poor team last year?

I don't buy this "they've struggled due to having better players around them" cliche.

Ireland has struggled because we signed Tevez and changed formation. His confidence obviously waned by not performing as well in a deeper position. I also think that Ireland suffered from Robinho being injured and coming back under par. They had a great understanding and if you look at both of their highlights from last season almost all of their good play involved working off each other.

Robinho started off the season ok then got injured, came back unfit, couldn't adapt to playing with 2 men upfront, suffered a loss in confidence and became unhappy. Also Bellamy was on fire and far more suited to the left midifeld role than Robinho.

The only way I can see either (or both) Robinho or Ireland playing well for us to play with only 1 up front. They are probably the least adaptable players we've had since Ali.


SWP wasted 2-3 years of his career at Chelsea so I'm not surprised he hasn't made any progress since he left us (he's gone backwards if anything) Jose also turned him into a more negative player, looking to pass it sideways instead of running at his fullback.

you contradicted yourself in the first 2 lines of your post

 

[heatonmoorblue]

He hasn't improved on last season and that is what has let down coming to the end of this season. W've made enough excuses for him this season: he's playing in the wrong position, he's not being played far forward enough, Robinho isn't there to link up with him, he's ill, he's low on confidence. The problem with Ireland is that his peak was last season and the decline has been an almighty steep one. It will be a shame to see him go, but based on this season, he isn't the player we need hanging around when we're trying for the top 4 and to win the league, when we have better players being kept out of the team by him.

Haha, so he peaked at the age of 22 and is in decline, explains why 3 of our rivals for the top 4 and winning the league want him 'hanging around' their squads.

 

[erocsevil]

fuk me. saw this thread at about 12pm with 3 pages

 

[Pigeonho]

No, thats impossible. The only time we will have overtaken them, (think of what that word means), is when we win god knows whatever it is they have won since 1992. Until then all we can do is try to compete with them. As it stands united have not officially overtaken Liverpool as yet, league championship-wise anyway, however that looks like it will change cum May, a project which has taken Taggart 20 odd years to achieve. For us to overtake united they have to go to the depths of the 3rd tier, we have to win all the trophies they win, and better it. The truth is that in our lifetime we will not overtake them, but we can and perhaps will compete with them. You think how long it has taken the dippers to be looked upon as they are today from when they were winning everything. United will never have that demise because the success they have had means they will always win things in future, just like Barca and Real will never really fall from grace in Spain. Yes they might have the odd off couple of seasons and perhaps the odd trophyless one too, but they will never go on a total barron spell which will culminate in them becoming an ordinary club. Competing with united is what we can do, and I think we will soon see a situation where the PL, FA, LC will be fought for between us and united, AND the European cups will be fought for between Barca/Real from Spain, the usual suspects from italy and France and united and City from England. Chelsea's time will soon run out cos they simply don't have the prestige and history that united now have to carry the momentum onwards, just like Blackburns short time ended the way it did in the mid 90's. I reckon by 2016/2017, Chelsea will be another average Joe. Thats what sustained success gets you see, and that is why united will never be overtaken by anyone for many many years but our wealth and vision of the owners suggest we will be competing with them, hopefully more than Chelsea have this last 10 years or so.

Going on this theory, you would say that Huddersfield are ahead of us.

You know what i'm trying to get at.