Sorry Pigeonho, but I completely disgaree with everything that you've put in that post.
Pigeonho said:
No, thats impossible. The only time we will have overtaken them, (think of what that word means), is when we win god knows whatever it is they have won since 1992. Until then all we can do is try to compete with them.
You know what he was getting at there. Overtaken as in overtake their position within the league. Besides, when did the Premiership become the sole arbiter of success? Football did exist before 1992.
As it stands united have not officially overtaken Liverpool as yet, league championship-wise anyway, however that looks like it will change cum May, a project which has taken Taggart 20 odd years to achieve. For us to overtake united they have to go to the depths of the 3rd tier, we have to win all the trophies they win, and better it. The truth is that in our lifetime we will not overtake them, but we can and perhaps will compete with them.
No, they don't have to go to the third tier at all. You sound so much like a rag in the above bit, I'm sure you've been hypnotised by propaganda ;)
We will 'perhaps compete with them'? Are you mad, man?
Every great empire eventually falls. Ask Liverpool, or Rome or something.
You think how long it has taken the dippers to be looked upon as they are today from when they were winning everything. United will never have that demise because the success they have had means they will always win things in future, just like Barca and Real will never really fall from grace in Spain. Yes they might have the odd off couple of seasons and perhaps the odd trophyless one too, but they will never go on a total barron spell which will culminate in them becoming an ordinary club.
And you're basing that off of what entirely?
Barca and Real never fall from grace in Spain because they have the highest levels of income. Even then, they still had heavy challenges from Villareal, Valencia, Deportivo, Alaves, etc. Unfortunately, whilst the challengers had to balance the books, Barca and especially Real just went and spent more cash.
No matter what you think (the proof is in black and white), United DO NOT have the financial muscle to keep up with us.
Also, your rag propaganda bullshit has popped up again. United have never being anything but an ordinary club. The best manager to every step on the pitch, Ferguson, has taken them to a shitload of trophies. Before him they've won next to fuck all. One CL, a couple of LCs and a few leagues. Nothing like the previous 20.
I've written about this previously, you should read this.
Competing with united is what we can do, and I think we will soon see a situation where the PL, FA, LC will be fought for between us and united, AND the European cups will be fought for between Barca/Real from Spain, the usual suspects from italy and France and united and City from England. Chelsea's time will soon run out cos they simply don't have the prestige and history that united now have to carry the momentum onwards, just like Blackburns short time ended the way it did in the mid 90's. I reckon by 2016/2017, Chelsea will be another average Joe. Thats what sustained success gets you see, and that is why united will never be overtaken by anyone for many many years but our wealth and vision of the owners suggest we will be competing with them, hopefully more than Chelsea have this last 10 years or so.
Prestige and history get you fuck all in this game, ask Royal Engineers, or Nottingham Forest. It has absolutely no effect on a game, which is why football is so good.
Chelsea will be another average Joe when Ambramovich leaves them in about 20 years. United will be long before that. With a resurgent Arsenal team, Roman spending more money, City's billionaire owner out for blood, Tottenham and Villa upping their game, United do not sit in a good spot. You can talk about historical successes all day long, but the stark reality is that every single person at United would rather be in our position than theirs.
