Is now the time to consider Mancini's tenure at the club

[lancs blue]

maybe they're not keen to spend 100/200 millions each summer and use FFP as an excuse to send a message to both manager (current and future ones) as well as to players and agents that they won't be robbed forever.

If that was the reason it was a big mistake, strengthening the squad after a title win is a golden rule in football, it's how clubs stay at the top for long periods.

 

[OB1]

Their is no doubt in my mind that the Manager seems to have created a problem for himself. We had an awful campaign in Europe and we had what most of us consider a very poor Summer in terms of improving on what we had and we still seem to be missing the elusive plan B.

I am not convinced though by any arguement provided by his doubters on here ( who have increased tenfold overnight) that their is a better alternative.
The two names being banded around most frequently are Pep and Jose and both are oustanding Football Managers but they wouldn't be certainties to bring success overnight.

Pep only knows the one Club and is a very inexperienced Manager who was blessed from day one with an exceptional group of players and Jose seems to hit a Wall as he moves into his third Season amongst other, more celebrated issues.
For what Mancini has done with us and with his previous clubs in Italy he certainly should be regarded as being of the same stature. If you read the Forum today you would think we had a former United Player (Bruce,Keane,Robson) in charge.

He hasn't become a bad Manager overnight. Our players - and just look at the spine of the side -; Hart, Vinny,Yaya,Silva, Aguero all would be welcome at any side in the World. They haven't become bad players overnight either.

Hopefully our owners and our new executive team will allow him the time to adress the problems we face and for me that would include another stab at Europe.

This viewpoint by the way is born from a standpoint of Stability and not Sentiment. Let United and Arsenal and Chelsea be disruprted in the search for new Managers not us.

Lets not forget about Pep's record with the Barca B team , he was also brave enough to carry out a massive shake up in Barcelona selling the likes of Etoo , Ronaldinho and Deco (All in one season) and yet he was able to win the title that same season . It was under Pep that messi flourished , It was also under Pep that Busquets got promoted from Barca B and he brought an average pique into the Barcelona team and brought out the best in both of them , Lets also remember that under rijkaard Xavi was rarely used but when Pep came in he brought out the best in Xavi . The fact that he has only coached in one club doesn't make him inexperienced after all Mou started somewhere , same with Bobby . Pep has the tactics and titles to show .

Lazy comments about Pep being a one club person keep getting repeated over and over. Pep did an extremely good job with Barca and anyone who thinks he had a simple task is ill-informed.

 

[cleavers]

The notion that fans matter is sentimental bollocks.

Unfortunately that is very true, the club means everything to the majority of fans however.

 

[MSP]

maybe they're not keen to spend 100/200 millions each summer and use FFP as an excuse to send a message to both manager (current and future ones) as well as to players and agents that they won't be robbed forever.

If that was the reason it was a big mistake, strengthening the squad after a title win is a golden rule in football, it's how clubs stay at the top for long periods.

I agree to some degree, not too much more money was needed for this team to become a real force.

But I'd agree with them generally, you just can't let Mancini or any other manager to moan about lack of players each year after you provided them with loads of cash already.

 

[LoveCity]

Sometimes managers run out of ideas and need breaks from football. In that respect Ferguson is a freak for never burning out. I'm not saying Mancini has but some of the symptoms are there, almost a tactical fatigue... seeing the problems but not really addressing them leading to a repeat over and over. When Mancini joined us after a break from football, I remember him being a very experimental and progressive coach. He would change systems and switch players around on the fly to catch opposition off guard. Now he just seems to sit back a lot and throw on the strikers when we can't score in hope of some individual magic. Maybe he feels limited by the personnel we have (an overabundance of technically able but limited midfielders and a lack of creative ones) but after several transfer windows part of the blame for that would have to be pointed at him. The Rodwell + Garcia signings for example when we already had Milner, Barry, and Yaya capable of playing similar roles - a chunk of the £30million spent on those two could have gone towards a player of the Hazard ilk even if not Hazard himself.

 

[Bluemooner 1]

maybe they're not keen to spend 100/200 millions each summer and use FFP as an excuse to send a message to both manager (current and future ones) as well as to players and agents that they won't be robbed forever.

If that was the reason it was a big mistake, strengthening the squad after a title win is a golden rule in football, it's how clubs stay at the top for long periods.

Totally agree, we are paying a heavy price for the lack of quality signings during the summer. Nastasic apart, the signings have been a complete waste being brutally honest.

 

[BlueCityfan]

maybe they're not keen to spend 100/200 millions each summer and use FFP as an excuse to send a message to both manager (current and future ones) as well as to players and agents that they won't be robbed forever.

If that was the reason it was a big mistake, strengthening the squad after a title win is a golden rule in football, it's how clubs stay at the top for long periods.

Totally agree, we are paying a heavy price for the lack of quality signings during the summer. Nastasic apart, the signings have been a complete waste being brutally honest.

Sometimes it's better to not sign a player who is option c or d or something. AJ sold,why waste most of that money on Sinclair who isn't even used? Maicon, cheap fee but bad for the wage bill. There was no real need either.

Garcia, obviously the plan D or something. Rodwell? What's the point....

Why not just leave the squad a bit short then? And wait for the right player. Wasting money on both fees + wages on those could block future transfers.

 

[leewill31]

poor mancini he must be looking at his front players and wondering what the hell they are doing at the moment not scoring for fun in most games we have played!

Just had a look then:

Tevez 1 from his last 8
Aguero 1 from his last 8
Dzeko 1 from his last 13
Mario 1 from his last 11

No wonder we played Lescott up front. ;)

my point exactly fans can flap all they want about a new manager but he is not at fault for what is one of the most lethal strike force's in europe not scoring the goals......

nobody can really disagree with them facts moomba you have posted it is by far the manager but our strikers fault that have put us in the position we are in.

we have dominated so many games and all strikers have had so many goal scoring opportunity's yet we seem to have a 188 page thread mostly blaming the manager.

yes mancini has his faults especially when it comes to Europe but at this moment all i see is a world class front line hitting everything but the back of the net!

 

[greasedupdeafguy]

poor mancini he must be looking at his front players and wondering what the hell they are doing at the moment not scoring for fun in most games we have played!

Just had a look then:

Tevez 1 from his last 8
Aguero 1 from his last 8
Dzeko 1 from his last 13
Mario 1 from his last 11

No wonder we played Lescott up front. ;)

my point exactly fans can flap all they want about a new manager but he is not at fault for what is one of the most lethal strike force's in europe not scoring the goals......

nobody can really disagree with them facts moomba you have posted it is by far the manager but our strikers fault that have put us in the position we are in.

we have dominated so many games and all strikers have had so many goal scoring opportunity's yet we seem to have a 188 page thread mostly blaming the manager.

yes mancini has his faults especially when it comes to Europe but at this moment all i see is a world class front line hitting everything but the back of the net!

Cant remember to many chances against the likes of Everton, west ham, sunderland, reading etc.

 

[Cobwebcat]

When we are second in the Premiership? Nah