leewill31 said:
Of course you can argue with the stats, there is a severe lack of support for our forwards or pace in attack. It's to simplistic to say it's our strikers fault for not scoring, I would argue the manner of play hinders our strikers.
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Is now the time to consider Mancini's tenure at the club
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Of course you can argue with the stats, there is a severe lack of support for our forwards or pace in attack. It's to simplistic to say it's our strikers fault for not scoring, I would argue the manner of play hinders our strikers.
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leewill31 said:moomba said:leewill31 said:poor mancini he must be looking at his front players and wondering what the hell they are doing at the moment not scoring for fun in most games we have played!
Just had a look then:
Tevez 1 from his last 8
Aguero 1 from his last 8
Dzeko 1 from his last 13
Mario 1 from his last 11
No wonder we played Lescott up front. ;)
my point exactly fans can flap all they want about a new manager but he is not at fault for what is one of the most lethal strike force's in europe not scoring the goals......
nobody can really disagree with them facts moomba you have posted it is by far the manager but our strikers fault that have put us in the position we are in.
we have dominated so many games and all strikers have had so many goal scoring opportunity's yet we seem to have a 188 page thread mostly blaming the manager.
yes mancini has his faults especially when it comes to Europe but at this moment all i see is a world class front line hitting everything but the back of the net!
I agree, but it also depends on what they are told in training, ie tippy tappy possession against shoot on sight?
northstandgiveusasong said:leewill31 said:moomba said:Just had a look then:
Tevez 1 from his last 8
Aguero 1 from his last 8
Dzeko 1 from his last 13
Mario 1 from his last 11
No wonder we played Lescott up front. ;)
my point exactly fans can flap all they want about a new manager but he is not at fault for what is one of the most lethal strike force's in europe not scoring the goals......
nobody can really disagree with them facts moomba you have posted it is by far the manager but our strikers fault that have put us in the position we are in.
we have dominated so many games and all strikers have had so many goal scoring opportunity's yet we seem to have a 188 page thread mostly blaming the manager.
yes mancini has his faults especially when it comes to Europe but at this moment all i see is a world class front line hitting everything but the back of the net!
I agree, but it also depends on what they are told in training, ie tippy tappy possession against shoot on sight?
How would that explain the chances they have all missed though, some especially Tevez and Aguero have been shocking.
I think some people are getting a bit mislead by this thread and the views in it.
Nobody wants Mancini sacked, it's just a question of if he has the ability to turn around what is a very poor start to the season and if he can learn from his mistakes? I don't think anyone is under any illusion that this isn't all his problem - the players need to take responsibility too. But you can't deny we've made some shit signings and have sold our plan B options (width with AJ and DJ gone so Yaya is playing too deep).
It's very 1 dimensional. Not awful to watch, but we are much more beatable than we were last season due to the lack of plan B and the fact that opposing managers have exposed this chink.
The lack of width is a real issue and he simply has to address this in January if he doesn't feel the players we have are capable enough.
The thing that is missing most of all is the pace and movement. It's nothing like we had last season and is frustrating myself and all the fans I sit with. That really has made us much easier to play against, and it needs to return ASAP. That is the biggest problem by far for me. We've lost that deadly pace and one touch stuff. Christ, I saw linesmen looking like they were going to pass out at times last season trying to keep up with the pace we broke at.
Has Mancini got it in him to put this right again - that's the real question? Nobody WANTS him sacked, we just want the old Mancini and City squad back again, the one that was getting better with every game, not getting worse with every game like this season.
Nobody wants Mancini sacked, it's just a question of if he has the ability to turn around what is a very poor start to the season and if he can learn from his mistakes? I don't think anyone is under any illusion that this isn't all his problem - the players need to take responsibility too. But you can't deny we've made some shit signings and have sold our plan B options (width with AJ and DJ gone so Yaya is playing too deep).
It's very 1 dimensional. Not awful to watch, but we are much more beatable than we were last season due to the lack of plan B and the fact that opposing managers have exposed this chink.
The lack of width is a real issue and he simply has to address this in January if he doesn't feel the players we have are capable enough.
The thing that is missing most of all is the pace and movement. It's nothing like we had last season and is frustrating myself and all the fans I sit with. That really has made us much easier to play against, and it needs to return ASAP. That is the biggest problem by far for me. We've lost that deadly pace and one touch stuff. Christ, I saw linesmen looking like they were going to pass out at times last season trying to keep up with the pace we broke at.
Has Mancini got it in him to put this right again - that's the real question? Nobody WANTS him sacked, we just want the old Mancini and City squad back again, the one that was getting better with every game, not getting worse with every game like this season.
greasedupdeafguy said:Cant remember to many chances against the likes of Everton, west ham, sunderland, reading etc.leewill31 said:moomba said:Just had a look then:
Tevez 1 from his last 8
Aguero 1 from his last 8
Dzeko 1 from his last 13
Mario 1 from his last 11
No wonder we played Lescott up front. ;)
my point exactly fans can flap all they want about a new manager but he is not at fault for what is one of the most lethal strike force's in europe not scoring the goals......
nobody can really disagree with them facts moomba you have posted it is by far the manager but our strikers fault that have put us in the position we are in.
we have dominated so many games and all strikers have had so many goal scoring opportunity's yet we seem to have a 188 page thread mostly blaming the manager.
yes mancini has his faults especially when it comes to Europe but at this moment all i see is a world class front line hitting everything but the back of the net!
against reading 10 off target only 3 shots on target...against sunderland 8 off target 7 on target!
more than enough to win games by a mile if our front line was on form!
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We beat Reading 1-0 Rekik played left back Zabaleta played right back Kolo Toure played centre back and Barry scored the winner! Next game at Sunderland Rekik and Barry are dropped to the bench Zabaleta is left back and Kolo Toure is right back! Then in the 87th minute he takes Kolo Toure who is a centre back playing right back off for Barry who is a central midfielder then in the 90th minute he takes Garcia off who is a central midfielder and puts Lescott on who is a centre back (So why make the first change) bearing in mind we are trying to get a goal back and have Sinclair and Razak both sat on the bench! Also Kolo Toure is better than both Barry and Lescott at going forward and at shooting. Mancini obviously confuses his players as much as he does us the fans.
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kippaxchris said:We beat Reading 1-0 Rekik played left back Zabaleta played right back Kolo Toure played centre back and Barry scored the winner! Next game at Sunderland Rekik and Barry are dropped to the bench Zabaleta is left back and Kolo Toure is right back! Then in the 87th minute he takes Kolo Toure who is a centre back playing right back off for Barry who is a central midfielder then in the 90th minute he takes Garcia off who is a central midfielder and puts Lescott on who is a centre back (So why make the first change) bearing in mind we are trying to get a goal back and have Sinclair and Razak both sat on the bench! Mancini obviously confuses his players as much as he does us the fans. Also Kolo Toure is better than both Barry and Lescott at going forward and at shooting.
Hehe, of course he'll get critics for stuff like this, even overreactions are not overreactions in this case.
It's as mental as you could imagine it.
kippaxchris said:We beat Reading 1-0 Rekik played left back Zabaleta played right back Kolo Toure played centre back and Barry scored the winner! Next game at Sunderland Rekik and Barry are dropped to the bench Zabaleta is left back and Kolo Toure is right back! Then in the 87th minute he takes Kolo Toure who is a centre back playing right back off for Barry who is a central midfielder then in the 90th minute he takes Garcia off who is a central midfielder and puts Lescott on who is a centre back (So why make the first change) bearing in mind we are trying to get a goal back and have Sinclair and Razak both sat on the bench! Also Kolo Toure is better than both Barry and Lescott at going forward and at shooting. Mancini obviously confuses his players as much as he does us the fans.
You couldn't make it up. I am pretty sure if you randomly chose substitutes from a hat, you'd come up with 3 subs that made more sense than Mancini's subs.
Combine that lunacy with the fact that the alienated player who was sold in the summer was the one that scored on us. Combine that soap-opera-esque twist of fate (who didn't see it coming really?) with the fact that AJ was our only wide/winger option and we were ruined in the match by being too narrow. We tried to pass the ball through a wall of 11 men with no width (because we sold that player to the opponent and he fucking scored on us).
Blaming the players for what happened is like blaming the Pope for your ugly mug, there is no direct relationship. In fact, I think the squad as a whole is being massively held back by the tactics. The manager decided to put Sergio up there all alone, leaving him completely useless in most attacks. It was the Manager's decision to leave Yaya deep the entire match when we needed that speed on the break so badly. I didn't see Mancini fuming at Yaya for not making runs with the ball to pick up the pace, its like he was held back and played more defensively for a reason.
I play indoor football on a weekly basis. Our team is 100% shit. Why? We pile all 5 players into the opponent's half and try to score a goal. The opponent knows that's how we operate, so they put everyone behind the ball. When we inevitably lose possession, they break on us and get much better chances on our goal as a result. Its exactly what is happening to City all season, and the situation nullifies any advantage we have in quality, because the tactics are shittier than a newborn's chuff.
Dethred said:kippaxchris said:Blaming the players for what happened is like blaming the Pope for your ugly mug, there is no direct relationship. In fact, I think the squad as a whole is being massively held back by the tactics. The manager decided to put Sergio up there all alone, leaving him completely useless in most attacks. It was the Manager's decision to leave Yaya deep the entire match when we needed that speed on the break so badly. I didn't see Mancini fuming at Yaya for not making runs with the ball to pick up the pace, its like he was held back and played more defensively for a reason.
I agree with most of what you say mate, well said, but I don't buy into the players not having to accept some of the blame for what's happening. The work rate and tempo is low at the moment. I think that's why Mancini is trying anything at the moment to get them motivated, unless of course he's trained them to play slow tippy tappy football...but the more I think about that, the less I believe it and he seemed to finally acknowledge that the pace and movement wasn't good enough after the Sunderland game. Look at the Reading game for as better example, though. Slow and lethargic build up, pass, foot on the ball, two touches, look up, pass sideways - it's infuriating. But in spells the quick one touch break switched on momentarily and we looked deadly again, then it stopped again and the ball is shifted about the midfield with no pace and Silva is back to going left to right, right to left with no real penetrating of the box. Having two tall strikers that are playing shit isn't helping either. Whenever a ball is punted in from the corner, we're stuck with two of the smallest strikers in the league who can't really be expected to win a ball in the air, and Yaya is playing so deep that we have no height in the box - replacing Aguero and Tevez with Dzeko and Ballo yields no results because they're playing shit and both look uninterested (I'd fuck them both off in January to be honest, they're neither good enough for us).
But I agree that selling our width to Sunderland and not persuading De Jong to stay was a massive blunder. Garcia doesn't look good enough for me and isn't as patch on NDJ and Maicon can't see out 90 minutes, which leaves Sinclair who he won't trust with a start.
So there's been some major blunders by Mancini and constantly fucking around with the defence and DMs when we can't score goals is driving me up the fucking wall. We needs to pick his best team and stick with it for a while. He's like a kid that's stuck on a question in an exam. He keeps trying to work it out, rubbing it out, starting again and never arriving at the correct solution because he's constantly overthinking it.