Is now the time to consider Mancini's tenure at the club

[mancity1]

Prepared to put decent money on whoever next manages us and I hope its sometime before that happens for obvious reasons it won't be either Jose or Pep.

Strong mail in Spain today from reliable sources that Pep has been offered and accepted the Chelsea post for next season.

the same here in italy bout mourinho at PSG

Its settled then.

Joe Hart will manage us next season if RM leaves us.

 

[GStar]

Agree about Pep, can't see the attraction. The new guy has taken the same players and done far better so far in the Spanish league than Pep did...to date anyway. Smacks of AVB at Porto if you ask me.

Funny you should mention AVB, SPurs last 6 games, 4 CS, 5 wins and 1 draw. I think he'll be given a chance at Spurs with a team, unlike the power players at Chelsea, that will buy into his philosophies.

Be interesting to see how he does, but it looks like he's making strides at Tottenham.

 

[JoeMercer'sWay]

so you'd take experience but lack of anything of note in Europe despite numerous attempts against inexperience but proven silverware both domestically and in European football?

End of the day Txiki and Ferran know Guardiola inside out, you don't, so from your perspective taking what you see as the safe bet may not actually in the bigger picture be the best move.

He's earnt himself the reputation that means that someone somewhere will take the gamble, if not us then probably Chelsea.

1st part: He never said that, you can have experience and success in europe. Guardiola doesn't have both. Others do.

2nd: Moot point, Ducado like you or me can only give an opinion from our own perspective.

3rd: Disagree, he's had that reputation given to him, if not thrust upon him, he certainly hasn't 'earnt it' imo.

Others do? like who? Mourinho? he's way behind in La Liga, Hiddink? apart from 1 good season with PSV over 20 years ago, Ancelotti? tied up at PSG, Benitez? let's face it the only way we'd consider him is if he does so well at Chelsea and if he does that then why wouldn't Roman keep him?

Guardiola had Barca playing the best football of this era, better than Rijkaard's Barca and Vilanova's and also played his part in Messi becoming the superstar, however you want to dress it up it's a fair point.

Mancini has experience in Europe and no success, and doesn't look like he will achieve it anytime soon. It's a choice the board have to make but they'll have to live with it as nobody of the ilk of Mourinho or Guardiola will be available until the end of the next cycle of Managerial contracts.

 

[zark]

i dont think bobby should go until he snaps on the touchline and throttles platt and kidd for celebrating crappy pappy meaningless goals.

everytime we score the camera focusses on teh dug out and platt and kidd are jumping around like loons while bobby is mumbling some obscenity looking at both of them in a chopper read way.

well, heres hoping for a live on sky blood bath in the future months.. so keep bobby n.b the whole media, the rags and most of the league dislike him .. reason enough rreally

 

[GStar]

You're moving your own goalposts. You're dismissing Mourinho based on this season's domestic performance? Even then you've just named 5 that have more managerial experience and sustained silverware to their name than Guardiola.

We'll disagree because Rijkaard's when Ronaldinho was in full flow was far more attractive than this false nine tika taka style.

Pure speculation on when managers are available, they're all available... just like players, they'll all have a price to their club.

 

[mancity1]

Agree about Pep, can't see the attraction. The new guy has taken the same players and done far better so far in the Spanish league than Pep did...to date anyway. Smacks of AVB at Porto if you ask me.

Funny you should mention AVB, SPurs last 6 games, 4 CS, 5 wins and 1 draw. I think he'll be given a chance at Spurs with a team, unlike the power players at Chelsea, that will buy into his philosophies.

Be interesting to see how he does, but it looks like he's making strides at Tottenham.

Actually its 4-1-1 ( lost 2-1 to Everton ) but I get your gist.

Spurs with Bale and Lennon and Defoe in the form they are in are a match for anyone.

 

[The Flash]

What won't happen, and this may come as a shock to many, is that Mr Mancini won't be leaving us anytime soon. You thick fuckers need to understand that and get a grip. And soon.

You seem to think that randy Lerner or the owners of Liverpool run our club.

You are wrong.

We are owned by the best in the business.

Some of you play far too much championship manager. And the fact you post on here means you have absolutely no qualifications as to who should manage our club.

This thread is fucking laughable. Like any of you know anything about roberto's or any other manager's situation.

You arrogant cunts need to give your heads a wobble in your know-nothing world.

 

[andyhinch]

I've just had a strange vision in my head of DD biting a pillow with BS behind him shouting Mooooo is something wrong with me?

 

[JoeMercer'sWay]

You're moving your own goalposts. You're dismissing Mourinho based on this season's domestic performance? Even then you've just named 5 that have more managerial experience and sustained silverware to their name than Guardiola.

We'll disagree because Rijkaard's when Ronaldinho was in full flow was far more attractive than this false nine tika taka style.

Pure speculation on when managers are available, they're all available... just like players, they'll all have a price to their club.

You dismissed Guardiola because he didn't win a trophy at Barca last season, so considering the only 2 trophies you must be considering are La Liga and the CL, unless Mourinho wins the CL he'll have failed on the same basis you failed Guardiola.

Rijkaard won 2 La Liga's and a CL, Guardiola won 3 La Liga's and 2 CL's, so Rijkaard played the better football and achieved worse results, right ok...

I didn't move any goalposts, I merely pointed out that the basis you criticise Guardiola can be applied to other managers. Hiddink's club record is pretty mediocre in reality as I showed a few weeks ago, Ancelotti's is good but even he has his failings, just because you've been around longer doesn't make you a better manager. Mancini has failed in Europe, Benitez failed domestically at Liverpool, despite his European success.

I think it's unfair of you to state that Guardiola didn't earn his reputation at Barca, he did like every other manager earns theirs. The experience is a fair point worth considering, but people shouldn't start demeaning his achievements because at the end of the day he took Rijkaard's work, the dream front 4 that were constantly bickering and trying to compete with each other, tore it up and created the greatest club side on earth and helped create the best player in the world by getting rid of the 3 elder superstars and building the team around him, his achievements speak for themselves.

Inexperienced? yes, longevity? doubtful, successful? indisputable, top bracket of managers? absolutely.

 

[Pam]

Strong mail in Spain today from reliable sources that Pep has been offered and accepted the Chelsea post for next season.

Good. Hope this is true.

 

[GStar]

You're moving your own goalposts. You're dismissing Mourinho based on this season's domestic performance? Even then you've just named 5 that have more managerial experience and sustained silverware to their name than Guardiola.

We'll disagree because Rijkaard's when Ronaldinho was in full flow was far more attractive than this false nine tika taka style.

Pure speculation on when managers are available, they're all available... just like players, they'll all have a price to their club.

You dismissed Guardiola because he didn't win a trophy at Barca last season, so considering the only 2 trophies you must be considering are La Liga and the CL, unless Mourinho wins the CL he'll have failed on the same basis you failed Guardiola.

Rijkaard won 2 La Liga's and a CL, Guardiola won 3 La Liga's and 2 CL's, so Rijkaard played the better football and achieved worse results, right ok...

I didn't move any goalposts, I merely pointed out that the basis you criticise Guardiola can be applied to other managers. Hiddink's club record is pretty mediocre in reality as I showed a few weeks ago, Ancelotti's is good but even he has his failings, just because you've been around longer doesn't make you a better manager. Mancini has failed in Europe, Benitez failed domestically at Liverpool, despite his European success.

I think it's unfair of you to state that Guardiola didn't earn his reputation at Barca, he did like every other manager earns theirs. The experience is a fair point worth considering, but people shouldn't start demeaning his achievements because at the end of the day he took Rijkaard's work, the dream front 4 that were constantly bickering and trying to compete with each other, tore it up and created the greatest club side on earth and helped create the best player in the world by getting rid of the 3 elder superstars and building the team around him, his achievements speak for themselves.

Inexperienced? yes, longevity? doubtful, successful? indisputable, top bracket of managers? absolutely.

I've not dismissed Guardiola. I've said he's hugely over rated given his relateively weak performance with Barca in his final year and n comparison to both his predecessor and his successor, neither of whom are likely to be counted or linked with top European clubs despite performing similar in the same position.

Its impossible to put any kind of coherent response to your points, firstly because you're shifting the posts mid way through your points (comparing one managers domestic experience to another's European experience), secondly your continually replaying back to me my assumptions... which i never said nor made and thirdly if you can't understand how 'good football' doesn't equal 'winning'... may i suggest you either watch Arsenal 3/4 years ago or the Chelsea/Barca CL SF

 

[WNRH]

I actually think Pep is a good Manager - but when I said around 20 pages back in this thread about how he has only managed at one Club and I would be concerned if he got our Managers position I was accused of making a "Lazy" post.

Ha, i actually think the championing of Gaurdiola itself is lazy, i think the recent managers, such as Rijkaard and Vitanova prove that poor managers can make that team not only look god but win silverware too.

The fact Guardiola left them without anything isn't great, the fact he's only ever held one senior management position is worrying and the fact its Barcelona even more so.

Think you are doing Guardiola a disservice there. It's true that anyone can manage Barcelona and win trophies just like winning trophies at Celtic or Rangers does not mean you are a genius or a prodigy but it is the way Guardiola won the trophies that makes him this superstar coach.

He is the one who turned Messi from an inside winger who chipped in with 20 goals a season and the same amount of assists to this monster we see today, the six trophies he won in the same year and the treble has never been done before in Spanish football let alone Barcelona, you might say he had the best player in the world to help him but other managers have had Maradonna, Ronaldinho, Romario, Ronaldo, Rivaldo in their Barca side who all at some stage were the best player in the world.

Barca have only ever won 4 european cups and he won two of them in a four year spell.

His problem now is where ever he goes, if he wants to replicate what he has done at Barca it will take years and patience as he will have to start from scratch.

He has his faults like everyone but he had a major impact in his success at Barca that shouldn't be ignored.

 

[Danielmanc]

I've just had a strange vision in my head of DD biting a pillow with BS behind him shouting Mooooo is something wrong with me?

Neither of them seem to post much after we have won. If we lose or draw to Stoke you'll hear plenty from them though

 

[JoeMercer'sWay]

You're moving your own goalposts. You're dismissing Mourinho based on this season's domestic performance? Even then you've just named 5 that have more managerial experience and sustained silverware to their name than Guardiola.

We'll disagree because Rijkaard's when Ronaldinho was in full flow was far more attractive than this false nine tika taka style.

Pure speculation on when managers are available, they're all available... just like players, they'll all have a price to their club.

You dismissed Guardiola because he didn't win a trophy at Barca last season, so considering the only 2 trophies you must be considering are La Liga and the CL, unless Mourinho wins the CL he'll have failed on the same basis you failed Guardiola.

Rijkaard won 2 La Liga's and a CL, Guardiola won 3 La Liga's and 2 CL's, so Rijkaard played the better football and achieved worse results, right ok...

I didn't move any goalposts, I merely pointed out that the basis you criticise Guardiola can be applied to other managers. Hiddink's club record is pretty mediocre in reality as I showed a few weeks ago, Ancelotti's is good but even he has his failings, just because you've been around longer doesn't make you a better manager. Mancini has failed in Europe, Benitez failed domestically at Liverpool, despite his European success.

I think it's unfair of you to state that Guardiola didn't earn his reputation at Barca, he did like every other manager earns theirs. The experience is a fair point worth considering, but people shouldn't start demeaning his achievements because at the end of the day he took Rijkaard's work, the dream front 4 that were constantly bickering and trying to compete with each other, tore it up and created the greatest club side on earth and helped create the best player in the world by getting rid of the 3 elder superstars and building the team around him, his achievements speak for themselves.

Inexperienced? yes, longevity? doubtful, successful? indisputable, top bracket of managers? absolutely.

I've not dismissed Guardiola. I've said he's hugely over rated given his relateively weak performance with Barca in his final year and n comparison to both his predecessor and his successor, neither of whom are likely to be counted or linked with top European clubs despite performing similar in the same position.

Its impossible to put any kind of coherent response to your points, firstly because you're shifting the posts mid way through your points (comparing one managers domestic experience to another's European experience), secondly your continually replaying back to me my assumptions... which i never said nor made and thirdly if you can't understand how 'good football' doesn't equal 'winning'... may i suggest you either watch Arsenal 3/4 years ago or the Chelsea/Barca CL SF

you're the only one moving the goalposts. You dismiss Guardiola on his lack of experience and think he's overrated because for once after winning La Liga 3 times in a row he finished 2nd to Real Madrid who got 100 points, Barca got 91, so a mediocre showing. Chelsea's lucky but heroic display in the SF was something you can't account but fair play to them but winning the CL twice in 4 years and reaching the semi's the other 2 times shows consistency and class. He also won the Spanish Cup, the Club World Cup, the UEFA Super Cup and the Spanish Super Cup last season, but don't let his trophyless season worry you that much. If you want to compare, Rijkaard's Barca team in his last season finished 3rd on 67 points, and only won half their league matches. Guardiola made a huge improvement.

I don't compare one person's record to another, I point out their weaknesses that in some cases more than cancel out their "experience", seeing as you're so quick to demean Guardiola as he's only managed Barca.

 

[GStar]

Think you are doing Guardiola a disservice there. It's true that anyone can manage Barcelona and win trophies just like winning trophies at Celtic or Rangers does not mean you are a genius or a prodigy but it is the way Guardiola won the trophies that makes him this superstar coach.

He is the one who turned Messi from an inside winger who chipped in with 20 goals a season and the same amount of assists to this monster we see today, the six trophies he won in the same year and the treble has never been done before in Spanish football let alone Barcelona, you might say he had the best player in the world to help him but other managers have had Maradonna, Ronaldinho, Romario, Ronaldo, Rivaldo in their Barca side who all at some stage were the best player in the world.

Barca have only ever won 4 european cups and he won two of them in a four year spell.

His problem now is where ever he goes, if he wants to replicate what he has done at Barca it will take years and patience as he will have to start from scratch.

He has his faults like everyone but he had a major impact in his success at Barca that shouldn't be ignored.

True, i may well be doing him a disservice, but i think it's fair to at least attempt to balance out the overwhelming reputation he seems to have; any PL team who may hire him are doing so with a significant risk.

In a similar vein there's also a strong point that a player of Messi's ability could either have a. naturally developed into that position or b. been good enough to play there to begin with... he's continued to improve this year without Guardiola managing him.

Also take the point about Barca having star players in the past, but have they ever had so many at one time, and with the ability to lay together as they do now?

I agree and as i said to JMW, i'm not dismissing Guariola as a manager full stop, i just think there's much more to being a 'top' manager than what he has shown so far.

A final point, it was Chelsea who 'gambled' on Mourinho after his success with Porto, look what he became with them and after them... there's a chance Guardiola could follow a similar path, i just don't think its guaranteed.

 

[greasedupdeafguy]

I actually think Pep is a good Manager - but when I said around 20 pages back in this thread about how he has only managed at one Club and I would be concerned if he got our Managers position I was accused of making a "Lazy" post.

Ha, i actually think the championing of Gaurdiola itself is lazy, i think the recent managers, such as Rijkaard and Vitanova prove that poor managers can make that team not only look god but win silverware too.

The fact Guardiola left them without anything isn't great, the fact he's only ever held one senior management position is worrying and the fact its Barcelona even more so.

Guardiola was there for half the time Rijkaard was there and won double the trophies.

 

[Davs 19]

I've just had a strange vision in my head of DD biting a pillow with BS behind him shouting Mooooo is something wrong with me?

There's nothing wrong. You're just having to use your imagination as to their whereabouts as they tend not to hang around to long after a positive performance.

Cue the usual insults from DD.

 

[mancityvstoke]

it is quiet from the Mancini doubters though.

Lets be avin you

 

[Oyster28catcher]

Save our Sven.

 

[MCC]

I've just had a strange vision in my head of DD biting a pillow with BS behind him shouting Mooooo is something wrong with me?

Neither of them seem to post much after we have won. If we lose or draw to Stoke you'll hear plenty from them though

The pair of them are too busy wiping their fannies to post anything.