Israel.

[Skashion]

Finally, if the Arabs had accepted international law in 1948 and had not attacked the legally established State of Israel then none of this would be a problem today.

Why should they have accepted it? Do you want less land? Yes please.

 

[brass neck]

I just wonder what our reaction would be if the Jedi people (of which there are many followers) decided their rightful home was east Anglia and moved in with the support of the worlds richest and strongest superpowers who backed them, turned a blind eye at atrocities, armed them, and did nothing at the sight more obvious disgraces and annexed the south west of the country off because they were the most pissed at the policy, bombed them, starved them, stopped medical aid going there, boarded ships full of aid and shot the people on board all because other Jedi followers had formed such large lobbying organizations and were so important to party's re-election strategies in the west. I for one would be making bombs and throwing, launching, spitting, fighting, protesting until they fukced off to their original various homes around the world.

 

[Prestwich_Blue]

The Yanks plough absolutely Millions and Millions into Israel Skash, whilst it's own Veterans are on the street begging. There are placement puppets right the way through time in the US govt, all with so called Jewish Ancestry and yes, every single Israeli President have been a member of a Terrorist organisation, that is a fact, so what chance does peace have? You know the answer, SFA.

And here we have it - buzzer1's motive laid bare. The good old Jewish conspiracy.

And you really need to check your facts. Not one single Israeli president has been a member of a terrorist organisation. Some of them served in Haganah but that was the equivalent of the Army and not a terror group. Chaim Weizmann did vital research for the Allies that led to the development of synthetic oils.

President Shazar was a newspaper editor. Katzir was a scientist. Herzog & Ezer Weizmann were British soldiers.

 

[blueinsa]

A very partial and poorly reserached post. I belong to suport groups for both Isreali liberals who are horrified at whta thir own govt is doing and I also belong to Free Tibet. Get your fatcs right rather than lazy soundbiting.

Your last paragraph begs the question about Israel's tactics.

if they know what it's like to be oppressed why are they treating the Palestinian people so badly. Yo can't have it both ways.
If Israel tried complying with international law on for example illegal settlements, they mght just find that international opinion , including some of their neighbours mellowed a bit.

First point is my post wasn't aimed at you so why shout your mouth off at something that had nothing to do with you? I'm pleased to hear you show some consistency.

As to why are they treating the Palestinians so badly, you conveniently forget that even as recently as 1973, Arab armies attacked Israel and Palestinian terorrists committed outrage after outrage against Jews (and others) outside and inside Israel. Gaza is run by a bunch of hard-line Islamic thugs who would kill every Jew if they got the chance and publicly decalre their unwillingness to recognise Israel and desire to destroy it.

Finally, if the Arabs had accepted international law in 1948 and had not attacked the legally established State of Israel then none of this would be a problem today.

I suppose that Israel's capture of Arab lands in 67 and their refusal to hand it back still is ok? That isn't to blame for some of the issues?

Not that long ago a man named Saddam invaded another country and we all know how that one panned out don't we.

Note. I don't condone what Saddam did, rather im just offering an example of the sheer hypocrisy of the USA in matters like this.

 

[Prestwich_Blue]

Finally, if the Arabs had accepted international law in 1948 and had not attacked the legally established State of Israel then none of this would be a problem today.

Why should they have accepted it? Do you want less land? Yes please.

Check your history - it wasn't their land. Prior to the British Mandate it was part of the Ottoman Empire and many Jews still lived there.

Tell me when there was ever a Palestinian state and government.

 

[JoeMercer'sWay]

don't see this tip-toeing around other religions on here, the abuse the CC and the Pope has got around his mere visit and we can't even criticise Judaism?

what a piece of double-standards.

 

[Prestwich_Blue]

I suppose that Israel's capture of Arab lands in 67 and their refusal to hand it back still is ok? That isn't to blame for some of the issues?

So which bit of Sinai and Gaza didn't they hand back?

 

[blueinsa]

I suppose that Israel's capture of Arab lands in 67 and their refusal to hand it back still is ok? That isn't to blame for some of the issues?

So which bit of Sinai and Gaza didn't they hand back?

Come on PB, Israel still occupies large parts of the Gaza strip.

East Jerusalem? Golan Heights?

To suggest as you are doing that Israel does not still occupy lands, illegally taken and recognised as such by UN resolutions is ridiculous.

 

[Skashion]

Check your history - it wasn't their land. Prior to the British Mandate it was part of the Ottoman Empire and many Jews still lived there.

Do you genuinely believe that the only basis for sovereignty is what the UN says it is, or what the Ottoman Empire says it was?

Indeed Jews did live there, and without a Jewish state.<br /><br />-- Sun Nov 21, 2010 10:37 am --<br /><br />

So which bit of Sinai and Gaza didn't they hand back?

So you don't even recognise there is an occupation? Or are you now divorcing the Arabs from the Palestinians at this juncture? In which case, why this juncture and why not 1948?

 

[buzzer1]

A very partial and poorly reserached post. I belong to suport groups for both Isreali liberals who are horrified at whta thir own govt is doing and I also belong to Free Tibet. Get your fatcs right rather than lazy soundbiting.

Your last paragraph begs the question about Israel's tactics.

if they know what it's like to be oppressed why are they treating the Palestinian people so badly. Yo can't have it both ways.
If Israel tried complying with international law on for example illegal settlements, they mght just find that international opinion , including some of their neighbours mellowed a bit.

First point is my post wasn't aimed at you so why shout your mouth off at something that had nothing to do with you? I'm pleased to hear you show some consistency.

As to why are they treating the Palestinians so badly, you conveniently forget that even as recently as 1973, Arab armies attacked Israel and Palestinian terorrists committed outrage after outrage against Jews (and others) outside and inside Israel. Gaza is run by a bunch of hard-line Islamic thugs who would kill every Jew if they got the chance and publicly decalre their unwillingness to recognise Israel and desire to destroy it.

Finally, if the Arabs had accepted international law in 1948 and had not attacked the legally established State of Israel then none of this would be a problem today.

Fuk me,the hypocrasy is astounding from your good self PB. Also you mention thugs, well you could add to that if you were talking about hardline Israelis that constantly flout international law and continue the Genocide and obsessive disgraceful treatment of Arabs within Israel.

Look PB, from what i can see, the people that have contributed to this thread have shown zero anti- semitism, if you wanna sex it up to make people look like twats for speaking the truth then knock yourself out, even after people have said that they have no allegiance to either side you still continue to cast asperions and tarnish people with the Anti-semitic nonsense, it's a fkin disgrace and you have no right to do this, as i said last night, it happens right through the Israeli nation both to anti and pro Israeli people, so you are in a win win situation and as they say, ignorance is bliss. There is absolutely no point in discussing anything at all with people that steadfastly massage the facts and actualy believe what they say however many times they are told that they are wrong in their assumptions, it's difficult mate.

-- Sun Nov 21, 2010 11:46 am --

The Yanks plough absolutely Millions and Millions into Israel Skash, whilst it's own Veterans are on the street begging. There are placement puppets right the way through time in the US govt, all with so called Jewish Ancestry and yes, every single Israeli President have been a member of a Terrorist organisation, that is a fact, so what chance does peace have? You know the answer, SFA.

And here we have it - buzzer1's motive laid bare. The good old Jewish conspiracy.

And you really need to check your facts. Not one single Israeli president has been a member of a terrorist organisation. Some of them served in Haganah but that was the equivalent of the Army and not a terror group. Chaim Weizmann did vital research for the Allies that led to the development of synthetic oils.

President Shazar was a newspaper editor. Katzir was a scientist. Herzog & Ezer Weizmann were British soldiers.

What are you on mate, irgun? Chaim Wiezman(sp?), Sharon, do you really want me to go on and embarass you further. And you are sounding and looking pathetic with your constant and bullshit accusations of my so called 'true agenda', from now on i am gonna treat it with the required ignorance it deserves, or i could fkin report you for your constant accusations of me being anti semitic, you know, a taste of your own medicine.