Israel.

[buzzer1]

A very partial and poorly reserached post. I belong to suport groups for both Isreali liberals who are horrified at whta thir own govt is doing and I also belong to Free Tibet. Get your fatcs right rather than lazy soundbiting.

Your last paragraph begs the question about Israel's tactics.

if they know what it's like to be oppressed why are they treating the Palestinian people so badly. Yo can't have it both ways.
If Israel tried complying with international law on for example illegal settlements, they mght just find that international opinion , including some of their neighbours mellowed a bit.

Sums up the situation perfectly mate and echoes what i posted.

Israel practices nothing more than state sanctioned terrorism and the worst of it is that they are backed 100% financially and with arms by the USA. A country at the forefront of a "War against terror"

YRCNMIU!

Perfectly put,bluein... It really is this simple, but no doubt you will be shut down and accused of anti-semitism, just as it's own people are when they speakout about the Horrific treatment of the Arabs within Israel.

 

[bluetom]

Israel is not very democratic as Arab parties/politicians critical of the Israeli State are not allowed to stand look at the last election for details. There are other democracies in the middle east, Lebanon is an example - its also abit dodgy but no more so than Israels.

The point is UKs complicity in selling arms, aid, trade with Israel which we dont do with say Zimbabwe. Thats the point. When you say why not Mugabe? Well my tax doesnt arm Mugabe, my tax does arm the Israeli government in its slaughter of thousands of innocent people.

I used to work in the West Bank in a refugee camp. It's pretty bad. Most isnt reported here, a block of housing next to my apartment was blown up in the night one night - killed around 40 mostly kids and women- this doesnt appear in the media, this was in the West Bank, the shining example Gazans should hope for. And my tax payed for that, that's why. that's the point.

 

[buzzer1]

The Yanks plough absolutely Millions and Millions into Israel Skash, whilst it's own Veterans are on the street begging. There are placement puppets right the way through time in the US govt, all with so called Jewish Ancestry and yes, every single Israeli President have been a member of a Terrorist organisation, that is a fact, so what chance does peace have? You know the answer, SFA.

I have wrote essays on this topic, specifically this topic, the Israeli-American relationship. Don't kid yourself that I don't know what I'm talking about. Also, your post borders on being anti-Jewish here with talk of Jewish ancestry. Leave that shit out.

Oh ffs Skash, please don't jump on that fkin bandwagon, you know the one i'm talking about. As it stands, i don't care if they are White, Black, Jewish, Muslim, Christian, i really don't give a toss, right is right and wrong is wrong, what is happeneing in Israel is pure wrong,. Also, who inplied that you don't know what you are talking about? i was merely suggesting that America and the west in General back Israel to the tune of Billions each year and yes, they absolutely do need the cash cow, that is all.

-- Sun Nov 21, 2010 10:43 am --

Israel is not very democratic as Arab parties/politicians critical of the Israeli State are not allowed to stand look at the last election for details. There are other democracies in the middle east, Lebanon is an example - its also abit dodgy but no more so than Israels.

The point is UKs complicity in selling arms, aid, trade with Israel which we dont do with say Zimbabwe. Thats the point. When you say why not Mugabe? We ll my tax doesnt arm Mugabe, my tax does arm the Israeli government in its slaughter of thousands of innocent people.

I used to work in the West Bank in a refugee camp. It's pretty bad. Most isnt reported here, a block of housing next to my apartment was blown up in the night one night - killed around 40 mostly kids and women- this doesnt appear in the media, this was in the West Bank, the shining example Gazans should hope for. And my tax payed for that, that's why. that's the point.

Kin' ell Tom, thats some Horrific life experience you have right there mate. The Arabs are treated like virmin, only worse from what i can gather, and it's a complete unbiased view, just the truth.

 

[Skashion]

i was merely suggesting that America and the west in General back Israel to the tune of Billions each year and yes, they absolutely do need the cash cow, that is all.

Yes, I know the game. Anyone who's anti-Israeli at some point will be accused of anti-Semitism (a misnomer when applied in most contexts). That's why you should avoid mentions of Jewish ancestry. It gives someone fair cause to think, this guy just has something against the Jews, when you may not.

Yes they do fund them to the tune of billions each year but it accounts for less than 2% of Israel's GDP. I'm confident they could find that 2% if necessary. My point is very simple; don't blame Israel's actions on America. They are fully responsible for their own actions.

 

[buzzer1]

Global warming is not a myth. The causes for it, however, are open to debate.

sorry to pinch your thread about Israel buzzer but i have a question about "global warming"

if this is true and not a myth why the fuck can't britain get warm. its always fucking freezing and pissing down with rain, even thoughout the summer?

are'nt we due some warming?

Haha, you remember the times when we had Summer and fuk did we have Winter, well imo this will come around again as weather is cyclic, or you could always move to erm, Egypt.

-- Sun Nov 21, 2010 10:59 am --

i was merely suggesting that America and the west in General back Israel to the tune of Billions each year and yes, they absolutely do need the cash cow, that is all.

Yes, I know the game. Anyone who's anti-Israeli at some point will be accused of anti-Semitism (a misnomer when applied in most contexts). That's why you should avoid mentions of Jewish ancestry. It gives someone fair cause to think, this guy just has something against the Jews, when you ARE not.

Yes they do fund them to the tune of billions each year but it accounts for less than 2% of Israel's GDP. I'm confident they could find that 2% if necessary. My point is very simple; don't blame Israel's actions on America. They are fully responsible for their own actions.

Edited for accuracy Skash.
Also, it's not just the money that comes in handy to Israel, it is the Puppets in the US govt. that are in postions of power that no money can buy and these people have a massive impact on international policy/thinking/non-action, i'm sure as fuk that if the boot was on the other foot then there would be merry hell to pay, you've heard what the Bi-sexual rapist 'Hilary Clinton has said regs. Israel, and when a new guy ie Obama gets in power, then you can guarentee EVERYTIME that there will be a placement puppet thrust in as his right hand man/advisor,just like the horrific and war profiteering Rahm Emmanuel and this is where the Zionist bit comes in, half of them have absolutely zero connection with anything Jewish, it's a manipulation.

 

[Helmet Cole]

There is nothing especially bad about the people of Israel. The way they are treating the Arabs is a result of their own concerns for the security of their nation and it citizens. It's just getting a bit out of hand - like the Germans in the 1930's. It's always good to see a situation from both points of view, and it may help the Jewish people to come to terms with the persecution they have endured for hundreds of years if they get to do a bit of genocide on someone else for a change. By my reckoning if we stand back and let them crack on with their "final solution" in Palestine, then it will at least give them some sense of perspective re WWII.

 

[blueinsa]

<a class="postlink" href="http://www.rense.com/general31/rege.htm" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.rense.com/general31/rege.htm</a>

A long but detailed and interesting read.

Staggering figures involved.

 

[not my fault!]

To be fair between the two fighting nations/country etc I would rather have Israel on side... Those fuckers are nutters and I wouldnt fancy our chances in a fight! They have some of the hardest and well trained troops in the world. Thier Tzva Hahagana LeYisra'el are the baddest around and the Mossad dont fuck about either! Remember the Munich Olympics in 1972, these guys never give in and will hunt down every last man and desendant until the line is finished for good. Would you want to go up against that type of mentality? Not to mention Ziva David from NCIS is hot ;0)

 

[Prestwich_Blue]

I'd love to hear you rant at, say, China; one of the worst human rights abusers on the planet. They've occupied Tibet for the last 60 years and done far worse than the Israelis have done on the West Bank. Will they ever give it back to the Tibetans? They openly propr up and politically support even worse regimes like N Korea & Burma. Yet we welcome their leaders with open arms.

Then there's Russia - a mafia controlled country whose leader has killed far more than any Israeli, which murders journalists and has inflicted horrendous cruelties on Chechens. Yet we invited Putin on a state visit in 2003.

Yet all the ire of the liberal and hard left is foicused on Israel, a small and democratic country surrounded by bitter enemies and built on the murder of million Jews less than 70 years ago by a demagogue who blamed them for everything. Seems some things never change.

A very partial and poorly reserached post. I belong to suport groups for both Isreali liberals who are horrified at whta thir own govt is doing and I also belong to Free Tibet. Get your fatcs right rather than lazy soundbiting.

Your last paragraph begs the question about Israel's tactics.

if they know what it's like to be oppressed why are they treating the Palestinian people so badly. Yo can't have it both ways.
If Israel tried complying with international law on for example illegal settlements, they mght just find that international opinion , including some of their neighbours mellowed a bit.

First point is my post wasn't aimed at you so why shout your mouth off at something that had nothing to do with you? I'm pleased to hear you show some consistency.

As to why are they treating the Palestinians so badly, you conveniently forget that even as recently as 1973, Arab armies attacked Israel and Palestinian terorrists committed outrage after outrage against Jews (and others) outside and inside Israel. Gaza is run by a bunch of hard-line Islamic thugs who would kill every Jew if they got the chance and publicly decalre their unwillingness to recognise Israel and desire to destroy it.

Finally, if the Arabs had accepted international law in 1948 and had not attacked the legally established State of Israel then none of this would be a problem today.

 

[buzzer1]

A very partial and poorly reserached post. I belong to suport groups for both Isreali liberals who are horrified at whta thir own govt is doing and I also belong to Free Tibet. Get your fatcs right rather than lazy soundbiting.

Your last paragraph begs the question about Israel's tactics.

if they know what it's like to be oppressed why are they treating the Palestinian people so badly. Yo can't have it both ways.
If Israel tried complying with international law on for example illegal settlements, they mght just find that international opinion , including some of their neighbours mellowed a bit.

First point is my post wasn't aimed at you so why shout your mouth off at something that had nothing to do with you? I'm pleased to hear you show some consistency.

As to why are they treating the Palestinians so badly, you conveniently forget that even as recently as 1973, Arab armies attacked Israel and Palestinian terorrists committed outrage after outrage against Jews (and others) outside and inside Israel. Gaza is run by a bunch of hard-line Islamic thugs who would kill every Jew if they got the chance and publicly decalre their unwillingness to recognise Israel and desire to destroy it.

Finally, if the Arabs had accepted international law in 1948 and had not attacked the legally established State of Israel then none of this would be a problem today.