It's quiet 10, no apologies! (continued)

[pavelsrnicek]

I think Arsenal will sell RVP to the highest bidder,which means its a matter of time only and we will see him joining his old mates.

If you are correct, then Arsenal have nothing to lose in stretching this whole saga out throughout the window.

It's not as if Arsenal will spend the RVP money on new arrivals!

Van Persie's perceived transfer value right now is between £20m-£25m - exactly the same as Arsenal can recoup for securing Champions League football from one Prem campaign to the next.

Van Persie can only do so much in this whole stand-off.

Wenger was quite prepared to play Nasri in Arsenal's opening games last season, regardless of the fact he could have been seriously injured against Liverpool, kissing goodbye to £24m in the process.

For me, he has nothing to lose. They 'only' pay him £80k a week as it is.

They save themselves a bundle in not paying improved terms, and can possibly reconcile themselves Van Persie's value would be much lower next season, due to his age, if he was still under contract to them.

Call it currently £5m a year in wages, no more than a hypothetical £10m transfer value for a player approaching 30, next year.

Arsenal could easily justify holding him to his existing deal, there's a £10m profit margin, right there, in relation to him contributing to another top four finish this season.

It's by no means black and white, despite what we do.

surely as there would be no transfer fee next year it's about weighing up the definite 20m+ on offer with the possible loss of champions league football (as you say a similar amount).

the other problem may be this could be a line in the sand for Wenger. if he keeps RVP he maintains an air of control and knows that he has a very talented striker working hard for a bosman. so arsenal reap the benefit of his determination to drive up his own value.

the problem for Wenger is that RVP has burnt some bridges with his statement and he could be playing with fire with the notoriously mongy fans at the emirates.

 

[LongsightM13]

BTW, Regarding the common debate of Tevez or Edin it's simple;

Tevez - Complete loon, world class and can single handedly change games, fits system and can play as Forward or CAM

Dzeko - Affable fellow, world class one day and average on another, can be anonymous but can be deadly, doesn't fit system, can only play as Forward.

As a human you choose Dzeko, as a player you choose Tevez. Getting the most out of Tevez is a lot simpler than it is Dzeko.

Until Tevez pulls another one of his stunts and we crash out of another major competition and try to figure out what to do with him instead of focusing on winning the league while he plays golf. People just loooooove to talk about how he came back and helped right the ship. Of course, it's a ship he almost capsized single-handed. Why his twattish attitude even started infecting otherwise players with good attitudes like Dzeko.

Tevez... talented? You bet. Worth it? As long as you can trust him. Can you trust him? Not for long.

If Tevez doesn't move on in this window, he will go back to Argentina for peanuts next summer. He will be in exactly the same position RVP is in now, 12 months on his deal and no likelihood of signing another. The question is will Tevez give us more in 12 months than Edin could over three or four?

 

[Hamann Pineapple]

This debate on TH reminds me of abstract art.

You either understand it or not.

You will think a 10 year old kid, with his arms broken, could do the job, yet when you come to do it, you don´t know where to start.

The experts will revel in a piece and glow over its originality, yet find out later a 10 year kid with his arms broken drew it.

Some will wax lyrical about some old news, yet find out it was fake, made up by a journalist to spot the frauds.

Then there will be originals and people will pay good money for them.

Either way, you takes yer choice or leave it.

I don´t see many walking into art galleries and shouting this is shit until the early hours of the morning and fretting over something that may or may not be true.

No one asks you to read the posts, no one claims everything is right.

Just discuss the stuff that is brought up.

Are you subliminally telling us to break Tolmie's arms ?

 

[Forzacitizens]

so whats the actual latest on RVP then tolmie?

Van Persie has done all he can, it's now a case of how resolute Wenger is during the remainder of this window.

Even Arsenal briefings aren't 100 per cent sure he will travel on Saturday.

We're not about to sell a striker and hand Wenger more of the initiative.

So its as good as anyones guess to when and if he'll come then?

 

[SWP's back]

BTW, Regarding the common debate of Tevez or Edin it's simple;

Tevez - Complete loon, world class and can single handedly change games, fits system and can play as Forward or CAM

Dzeko - Affable fellow, world class one day and average on another, can be anonymous but can be deadly, doesn't fit system, can only play as Forward.

As a human you choose Dzeko, as a player you choose Tevez. Getting the most out of Tevez is a lot simpler than it is Dzeko.

Until Tevez pulls another one of his stunts and we crash out of another major competition and try to figure out what to do with him instead of focusing on winning the league while he plays golf. People just loooooove to talk about how he came back and helped right the ship. Of course, it's a ship he almost capsized single-handed. Why his twattish attitude even started infecting otherwise players with good attitudes like Dzeko.

Tevez... talented? You bet. Worth it? As long as you can trust him. Can you trust him? Not for long.

If Tevez doesn't move on in this window, he will go back to Argentina for peanuts next summer. He will be in exactly the same position RVP is in now, 12 months on his deal and no likelihood of signing another. The question is will Tevez give us more in 12 months than Edin could over three or four?

Tevez has 24 months left and I'd happily see him run his contract down and he can leave having helped us to half a dozen trophies.

 

[flb]

BTW, Regarding the common debate of Tevez or Edin it's simple;

Tevez - Complete loon, world class and can single handedly change games, fits system and can play as Forward or CAM

Dzeko - Affable fellow, world class one day and average on another, can be anonymous but can be deadly, doesn't fit system, can only play as Forward.

As a human you choose Dzeko, as a player you choose Tevez. Getting the most out of Tevez is a lot simpler than it is Dzeko.

Until Tevez pulls another one of his stunts and we crash out of another major competition and try to figure out what to do with him instead of focusing on winning the league while he plays golf. People just loooooove to talk about how he came back and helped right the ship. Of course, it's a ship he almost capsized single-handed. Why his twattish attitude even started infecting otherwise players with good attitudes like Dzeko.

Tevez... talented? You bet. Worth it? As long as you can trust him. Can you trust him? Not for long.

If Tevez doesn't move on in this window, he will go back to Argentina for peanuts next summer. He will be in exactly the same position RVP is in now, 12 months on his deal and no likelihood of signing another. The question is will Tevez give us more in 12 months than Edin could over three or four?

Beat me to it SWP-great minds and all that


Why not just keep Tevez until his contract runs out? After all,we keep saying we are not buying RVP with a sell on value.Tevez in a swan song year could be devastating.

We either peddle him now or keep him for two seasons.

 

[charliebigspuds]

This debate on TH reminds me of abstract art.

You either understand it or not.

You will think a 10 year old kid, with his arms broken, could do the job, yet when you come to do it, you don´t know where to start.

The experts will revel in a piece and glow over its originality, yet find out later a 10 year kid with his arms broken drew it.

Some will wax lyrical about some old news, yet find out it was fake, made up by a journalist to spot the frauds.

Then there will be originals and people will pay good money for them.

Either way, you takes yer choice or leave it.

I don´t see many walking into art galleries and shouting this is shit until the early hours of the morning and fretting over something that may or may not be true.

No one asks you to read the posts, no one claims everything is right.

Just discuss the stuff that is brought up.

hmmm..... abstract art, looks like a 10 year old kid with broken arms has done it....... hmmmmmmmm...........fuck me we're signing Messi!!!!

 

[NipHolmes]

BTW, Regarding the common debate of Tevez or Edin it's simple;

Tevez - Complete loon, world class and can single handedly change games, fits system and can play as Forward or CAM

Dzeko - Affable fellow, world class one day and average on another, can be anonymous but can be deadly, doesn't fit system, can only play as Forward.

As a human you choose Dzeko, as a player you choose Tevez. Getting the most out of Tevez is a lot simpler than it is Dzeko.

Until Tevez pulls another one of his stunts and we crash out of another major competition and try to figure out what to do with him instead of focusing on winning the league while he plays golf. People just loooooove to talk about how he came back and helped right the ship. Of course, it's a ship he almost capsized single-handed. Why his twattish attitude even started infecting otherwise players with good attitudes like Dzeko.

Tevez... talented? You bet. Worth it? As long as you can trust him. Can you trust him? Not for long.

Make no mistake I would love to see the back of him. Absolutely no doubt about that. I detest the bloke.

But out the 2 players it's not even debateable.

IMO Tevez won't pull that stroke again, I think the £hit was a big deal and I think he is unlikely to pull that stroke again in a blue shirt. Hopefully he's sold and I really do hope that but is not and we have to choose one of Dzeko or Tevez I'd take tevez purely on the basis of what I said before.

Dzeko needs a style of play to suit him that we don't play. I can't see the merits of changing our system to fit him when our system already has proven to be successful. If he was Messi or Ronaldo then fair enough.

Tevez fits us and is genuinely world class. He would love a move away by all accounts but as PSG said he has a wonderful contract. 2 years left, 2 years of earing 198k p/w + bonuses and the chance to rub dirt in Fergies face with winning silverware, meanwhile his contract runs down and he can sign for whomever he chooses at the age of 30.

 

[taconinja]

BTW, Regarding the common debate of Tevez or Edin it's simple;

Tevez - Complete loon, world class and can single handedly change games, fits system and can play as Forward or CAM

Dzeko - Affable fellow, world class one day and average on another, can be anonymous but can be deadly, doesn't fit system, can only play as Forward.

As a human you choose Dzeko, as a player you choose Tevez. Getting the most out of Tevez is a lot simpler than it is Dzeko.

Until Tevez pulls another one of his stunts and we crash out of another major competition and try to figure out what to do with him instead of focusing on winning the league while he plays golf. People just loooooove to talk about how he came back and helped right the ship. Of course, it's a ship he almost capsized single-handed. Why his twattish attitude even started infecting otherwise players with good attitudes like Dzeko.

Tevez... talented? You bet. Worth it? As long as you can trust him. Can you trust him? Not for long.

If Tevez doesn't move on in this window, he will go back to Argentina for peanuts next summer. He will be in exactly the same position RVP is in now, 12 months on his deal and no likelihood of signing another. The question is will Tevez give us more in 12 months than Edin could over three or four?

It's not a question of Tevez or Dzeko to me. If Dzeko is a poor fit, move him on and replace him. He is completely irrelevant to the Tevez situation.

 

[Ntini77]

This is beginning to feel like Apollo 13.