It's Quiet 17 - Glory Thread

Well Pep did say we have Cancelo Ake and Esbrand be interesting now if we don’t get Cucurella who we go for now, maybe we go for a right back that makes Cancelo are main left back then Ake and Esbrand back up
 
TheThirdDeano said:
I know people will dig me out over this but I really don’t think cancelo is that good.
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He's not great defensively, and he isn't ever going to be. But that's the case with a lot of full backs. Trent is a pretty poor defender but the defensive system provides cover for that with Henderson often backing him up. Similarly, we usually have a CB covering that space in behind Cancelo, with Walker shifting over and Rodri dropping in. Where we get into trouble is with that switch of play, that Liverpool used to great effect, because there would be an overlap behind Walker and no one covering it.

It's only an issue against the top teams really, but it is an issue. I do believe Cucurella would solve it. He's a very balanced player. I'd have liked to see JWE play - he's got pace which would have got him covering the space in behind better. He's excellent on the ball and probably has a more natural desire to defend rather than attack, which is the opposite with Cancelo. What a test it would have been for him, to see if he could play more of a role this season.

Cancelo did have a particularly abysmal game. His touch was off, his positioning was poor and he didn't seem arsed about running after Salah!
 
FantasyIreland said:
Both of our full backs are beginning to concern me.

Walker relies solely on his athleticism,his technical ability is poor and his positional sense on crosses is none existent.At almost 32,we need to have a replacement lined up.

Cancelo is far too casual and selfish,his mistakes are usually very costly in terms of turnover/loss of possession. He has become more of a liabilty than an asset in recent times.
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Agreed. Might be walking on thin ice here, but I think Cancelo is massively overrated. He’s capable of doing incredible things and will at times look like the best full-back in the world, but he’s very ineffective. For every good involvement (pass, cross, tackle etc.) there’s at least 2 bad ones. The very definition of a high risk, high reward player. I’d love to see Kabore in a slightly better league, seems like we could have a Walker replacement already at our club. Also have very big hopes for Rico Lewis, but at 17 he’s needs least 2 more seasons
 
TheThirdDeano said:
I know people will dig me out over this but I really don’t think cancelo is that good.
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No its all about opinions, I personally love watching him play. Granted he is not the best defender, especially at left back, and in another team he would be a total disaster, but the way we play and the way he fits into the scheme I think he is a great fit. He is in my top 5 current city players. But I can see why you don't rate him.
 
TheThirdDeano said:
I know people will dig me out over this but I really don’t think cancelo is that good.
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When on it, he's fantastic and a proper joy to watch. When not, he's frightening to watch purely because of defensive responsibilities.

He's a better left back than he is right back purely because his attacking seems to benefit from cutting up/curled passes.

I'd rather have him in our team than him play for a rival, though.
 
glyntowen said:
He is undoubtedly talented and was on fire at the start of the season but lost form badly

I'm still not convinced he is a full back, he doesn't play well facing his own goal, he is worse at right back than left back


If we did bring a lb in I could see him playing wide mid as part of that rotation
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He's not good enough either to be competition for the wide positions with grealish, foden, mahrez, alvarez, even Palmer.
He's a 'modern fullback', probably started off as a winger but wasn't good enough so moved back and isn't very good at defending. I've never been his biggest fan but he is a top member of the squad still.
A proper left footed left back who can time an overlap will balance the team and we will see the best of grealish and haaland (in my uneducated opinion anyway). Hopefully it is cucurella as I like him, if not him I have no idea who
 
The problem spots are defo LB, RB and for me RW. LB the obvious or. RB we need to bring in Kyle's replacement now I think. We saw how catastrophic losing his influence on the right was in Madrid. And rw I have little faith in Mahrez. Sometimes he can be a world beater but it feels like those games are fewer every year. Though I'm very much on board with the idea of playing Alvarez off that wing
 
skillman said:
When on it, he's fantastic and a proper joy to watch. When not, he's frightening to watch purely because of defensive responsibilities.

He's a better left back than he is right back purely because his attacking seems to benefit from cutting up/curled passes.

I'd rather have him in our team than him play for a rival, though.
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One thing I noticed on Saturday was the momentum of left sided attacks halted, once Cancelo had to cut inside. We've a 6ft 5" striker in the middle waiting for those first time crosses, with two right footed players.

We need specialist left footed left backs & left sided attackers to make the most of Haaland in those situations.
 
Cancelo can’t defend which is a big problem in games like Saturday. The fact he wears the number 7 is all we need to know. Going forward he’s great. We need a proper left back though
 
Dribble said:
One thing I noticed on Saturday was the momentum of left sided attacks halted, once Cancelo had to cut inside. We've a 6ft 5" striker in the middle waiting for those first time crosses, with two right footed players.

We need specialist left footed left backs & left sided attackers to make the most of Haaland in those situations.
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One of the FB or FW on that side has to be naturally footed. Having the 8's pull out to that space on the overlap causes us to be stretched rather than the opposition.

One out wide, one in the half space.
 
Delphinho said:
Agreed. Might be walking on thin ice here, but I think Cancelo is massively overrated. He’s capable of doing incredible things and will at times look like the best full-back in the world, but he’s very ineffective. For every good involvement (pass, cross, tackle etc.) there’s at least 2 bad ones. The very definition of a high risk, high reward player. I’d love to see Kabore in a slightly better league, seems like we could have a Walker replacement already at our club. Also have very big hopes for Rico Lewis, but at 17 he’s needs least 2 more seasons
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Against a team that press the way Liverpool do, any weakness is exposed. They seemed to make a real effort to close down the left side and pressure Ake and Cancelo, seeing it as a weakness. Dias and Walker were given more time on the ball. Any ball into Grealish/Rodri was also closed off forcing Cancelo into errors. Most teams wont do that. It's a warning sign for the games we do play against Liverpool. They'll have seen the ease in which they won the ball down that side, turned possession over and also then created space to switch the ball behind Walker.

But Pep will be aware of that and the team in general were off the pace, so hopefully we'll be better. Most teams look to press these days, but rarely can they make the most of getting the ball off us, and the majority prefer to sit and be compact which means Cancelo's attacking play is such an asset.

It's worrying to only have JWE on the bench (although I think he's good enough to play at LB for us). Ake is an option, for a more natural left sided player but that requires us to have another option at CB! It doesn't feel right to have so many "makeshift" options in defence. Phillips could play at CB but he's better in the middle of the park hounding the opposition and creating from deep. The full back position has long been an issue and RB is a worry because as soon as Walker does lose that half a yard of pace he'll fall off a cliff. There's not much more to his game.
 
Dribble said:
One thing I noticed on Saturday was the momentum of left sided attacks halted, once Cancelo had to cut inside. We've a 6ft 5" striker in the middle waiting for those first time crosses, with two right footed players.

We need specialist left footed left backs & left sided attackers to make the most of Haaland in those situations.
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Him and Grealish end up in the same space as well, having someone who can go round the outside and pull someone out of place or put a cross in gives teams more problems.
 
Dribble said:
One thing I noticed on Saturday was the momentum of left sided attacks halted, once Cancelo had to cut inside. We've a 6ft 5" striker in the middle waiting for those first time crosses, with two right footed players.

We need specialist left footed left backs & left sided attackers to make the most of Haaland in those situations.
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Mendy’s delivery would‘ve been a scandal with Haaland on the end of it.

Shame he’s a prick.
 
Dribble said:
One thing I noticed on Saturday was the momentum of left sided attacks halted, once Cancelo had to cut inside. We've a 6ft 5" striker in the middle waiting for those first time crosses, with two right footed players.

We need specialist left footed left backs & left sided attackers to make the most of Haaland in those situations.
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I think you’re right D. I also think Cancelo will be the go to right FB, as walker struggles with the final ball in the box.
 
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