It's Quiet Thread 15 - Txiki Blinders

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If you really believe that nonsense then loan me a couple of grand.

You won’t get it back but that’s cool because, in your weird noggin, it’s a loan and loans don’t have to have any possibility of a return.
It shifts the purchase to the next financial year for the buying club.
Loan with obligation to buy is a loan as the registration stays with the club that is loaning the player.
It's not hard old boy.
 
I think we won't be solely focused on running into the penalty area all the time.

The deeper, whipped wide delivery from KDB and Grealish is asking for someone like Kane to dominate with his head and avoid the nauseum of passing across the length of the area.

I'm excited to see that.

Kane will be like a fat bird in KFC at the thought of the service he will get from our team.
 
I’m light enough pollocks, it’s you throwing accusations of pedantry at a bloke who tried to help you out . . and I’ve been pleasantly humorous in my response to that because I found it funny.

Even you must admit, if only to yourself, that you getting sweary on the topic then advising me to lighten up is pretty damn hilarious.
Yeah it is good. Ironic ey! :)
 
Ake has been giving me Bony vibes in his last few appearances. Doesn’t look to be embracing the challenge of being at a top club and seems to be like ‘whatever’ with regards to the challenges he and the team face. Realise that’s probably quite harsh like.
Mangala
 
True enough. It's hard for any centre back to come into this team and play to a high enough level when they aren't playing regularly. Laporte looked shaky at times last season when 3rd choice and Stones and Otamendi have both been far better when played regularly.

The only one I remember who could play at the top of his game when brought in after long breaks has been Kompany. Players like him are rare and let's face it, if Ake was as good as him he'd play a lot more often anyway and it wouldn't even be up for discussion.

Yeah, Kompany was a different breed. It was amazing how he would not only hit the ground running after injuries but actually bring out the best in those around him at the same time. He set the bar very high.

I dont expect Ake to have the same impact, but I'm confident that he'll have some of his detractors eating their words by the end of the season.
 
You’re obviously not an accountant because it would be recorded as a sale in the accounts (current and future income accounted for), and you’re not practical because something that is loaned has a return factored into the arrangement and if it isn’t coming back it’s obviously not a loan.
I also presume that the whole notion is a figment of a fevered imagination because if a player leaves our club and goes to another on a permanent basis, as was described, then there would be no point in holding the players registration so the registration wouldn’t be pointlessly held.

Your welcome (sic)

PS. And you’re welcome too :-)
Lol you havnt a clue! Say gabby goes to inter on loan with an obligation to buy and they fold do you think he is their asset to sell? Or that we will get the full agreed amount? It will be a court battle. Its a loan with a legally binding agreement. His contract is with the parent club until the transaction is completed.
 
Lol you havnt a clue! Say gabby goes to inter on loan with an obligation to buy and they fold do you think he is their asset to sell? Or that we will get the full agreed amount? It will be a court battle. Its a loan with a legally binding agreement. His contract is with the parent club until the transaction is completed.

You’re getting confused with a “loan with an option to buy”.
There’s no such a thing as a “loan with an obligation to buy” and the only way we’d hold registration documents would be if there wasn’t an obligation or if the obligation only kicked in after a certain number of on-loan games were played etc. Which is a loan and the registration docs are initially held because isn’t an obligation to buy at that point.

What you describe is ”a loan that isn’t returnable with an initial payment followed by payment in full” which is in fact a “sale with staged payments” and, yes, the players we sell with part payment and a later payment in full, are sold complete with registration documents.

Also, when a player is sold and payments are staggered, where UK clubs are involved the outstanding sum is almost invariably bank guaranteed.
 
You’re getting confused with a “loan with an option to buy”.
There’s no such a thing as a “loan with an obligation to buy” and the only way we’d hold registration documents would be if there wasn’t an obligation or if the obligation only kicked in after a certain number of on-loan games were played etc. Which is a loan and the registration docs are initially held because isn’t an obligation to buy at that point.

What you describe is ”a loan that isn’t returnable with an initial payment followed by payment in full” which is in fact a “sale with staged payments” and, yes, the players we sell with part payment and a later payment in full, are sold complete with registration documents.

Also, when a player is sold and payments are staggered, where UK clubs are involved the outstanding sum is almost invariably bank guaranteed.
You are trying to be smart but are just getting it wrong. A loan with an obligation to buy is still a loan.
And to prove it - in the Premier league, players that are on loan are not allowed to play against their parent club. If we loaned Ake to spurs for example with an obligation to buy, he wouldn't be able to play against us this season - because it's a loan.
Also, the obligation to buy often comes with a caveat of things like the obligation to buy won't be valid if the club get relegated. Therefore it also can't be a sale because on the off chance that spurs got relegated at the end of the season, Ake would return to us.
 
I just read in the Kane thread that instead of having Chinese curry sauce on your "chippys" you should try making your own Bordelaise sauce.

In here there's a debate (argument?) on how player loans relate to structured products.

I find both intriguing and will be back for more when I wake up tomorrow!
 
Is Sandler anywhere near first team squad quality?
I havent seen him properly tested defensively but he looks to take up great position and is brave in the challenge,his passing and technical ability is also excellent.
His issues have centred around injury/consistency and not ability......so my answer would be yes.
 
I havent seen him properly tested defensively but he looks to take up great position and is brave in the challenge,his passing and technical ability is also excellent.
His issues have centred around injury/consistency and not ability......so my answer would be yes.
Cheers
I know he’s had a rotten run of injuries
 
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