Javi Garcia

[hgblue]

Pellegrini plays him because he just have no other options at hand.
When nine out of ten people claim you are shite, there's got to be a little bit of truth behind that, right ?

Some are saying he is an MD in the purest form possible, and nothing more, I say bullshit.
An MD is supposed to defend your back four, is supposed to put pressure on players when we don't have the ball, to harrass the opponents
and brake their attacks by any means necessary.
When Garcia plays, it is us who have the pressure on by his mere presence offering the opponents the ability to literally flood our box.

And let's not even talk about his contribution to the build up of attacks ...

Correct, the days of a purely defensive midfielder who offers nothing going forward, can't contribute goals, lacks pace, has no vision, and can't play in a midfield two, are seriously numbered in the modern game. An obvious candidate for an upgrade asap imo.

 

[taconinja]

Sorry, I was thrown off by the constant mentioning of Garcia.

No worries, and it's not worth getting fussed about on anyone's part.

Although I hope that as you saw the edit you can acknowledge how that "corner" mularky doesn't constitute blame for us not winning, as the context of it's mention was in reply to any mistakes the player made.

Hence my not accepting it as justification for the insecurity of some.

Actually it's the opposite. NQCitizen said he didn't want to scapegoat and mentioned lots of errors by players as an example of why scapegoating was pointless as it's a culmination. PMS rebutted by saying Garcia conceded the corner. He pinned the blame on Garcia. If he's still here and honest about it, he'll say so. It's fine if he wants to do that. I happen to think it was a poor collective performance brought about by too many changes and players in wrong positions. Garcia and Boyata are prime examples of this. Putting Garcia in a two-man midfield doesn't work. Putting Boyata at RB doesn't work. They contributed greatly to a poor performance.

 

[BlueCityfan]

"Good squad player". That's bullshit at this point. We don't need a player to only come from the bench to protect a lead. We need every player in the squad to be able to come in and do a job for 90 minutes when needed. Garcia just doesn't contribute enough. Passing to him is pretty much pointless because he won't do anything useful with it. Or pass it fast enough.

 

[The Fat el Hombre]

That was a fucking disgusting performance. Absolutely disgusting. Watching him stroll around the pitch casually losing out on challenge after challenge is fucking embarrassing. The amount of times he should have moved into space and taken the ball, but didn't, is ridiculous but it's no surprise because he shirks responsibility week after week. When Yaya came on garcia just stood behind him and watched him. Yea I get it that Garcia is there to sit a bit whilst Yaya goes forward but we struggled to get Yaya forward because Garcia was giving him no help at all in the build up play which would have moved us forward. A total passenger and doesn't even give us anything defensively. He's just a fucking liability. He hasn't looked as bad as that in other games but that was a very english game today and it showed him up for how much he is struggling to adapt to the english game because he looked a scared, scared little man on that football pitch today

 

[pudge]

No worries, and it's not worth getting fussed about on anyone's part.

Although I hope that as you saw the edit you can acknowledge how that "corner" mularky doesn't constitute blame for us not winning, as the context of it's mention was in reply to any mistakes the player made.

Hence my not accepting it as justification for the insecurity of some.

Actually it's the opposite. NQCitizen said he didn't want to scapegoat and mentioned lots of errors by players as an example of why scapegoating was pointless as it's a culmination. PMS rebutted by saying Garcia conceded the corner. He pinned the blame on Garcia. If he's still here and honest about it, he'll say so. It's fine if he wants to do that. I happen to think it was a poor collective performance brought about by too many changes and players in wrong positions. Garcia and Boyata are prime examples of this. Putting Garcia in a two-man midfield doesn't work. Putting Boyata at RB doesn't work. They contributed greatly to a poor performance.

It wasn't NQCitizen or any of his posts that is was a response to.

 

[taconinja]

Although I hope that as you saw the edit you can acknowledge how that "corner" mularky doesn't constitute blame for us not winning, as the context of it's mention was in reply to any mistakes the player made.

Hence my not accepting it as justification for the insecurity of some.

Actually it's the opposite. NQCitizen said he didn't want to scapegoat and mentioned lots of errors by players as an example of why scapegoating was pointless as it's a culmination. PMS rebutted by saying Garcia conceded the corner. He pinned the blame on Garcia. If he's still here and honest about it, he'll say so. It's fine if he wants to do that. I happen to think it was a poor collective performance brought about by too many changes and players in wrong positions. Garcia and Boyata are prime examples of this. Putting Garcia in a two-man midfield doesn't work. Putting Boyata at RB doesn't work. They contributed greatly to a poor performance.

It wasn't NQCitizen or any of his posts that is was a response to.

Was it inbetween? iPad makes this forum a bit wacky at times.

 

[Puppet Master Silva]

Don't put words in my mouth taco, I've never said I solely blame Garcia for this defeat. Considering this is a thread about Garcia I thought it would be ok to vent my frustrations, I've not gone into the post match thread and made it all about Garcia have I?

 

[taconinja]

Don't put words in my mouth taco, I've never said I solely blame Garcia for this defeat. Considering this is a thread about Garcia I thought it would be ok to vent my frustrations, I've not gone into the post match thread and made it all about Garcia have I?

To be fair, I'm not the one that brought up the term "solely" except to say that wasn't part of the criteria. I don't think there's much "solely" to a team game although there are rare flashes when it does come down to one person's error.

I don't even disagree with the notion that he greatly contributed to the defeat.

 

[pudge]

Actually it's the opposite. NQCitizen said he didn't want to scapegoat and mentioned lots of errors by players as an example of why scapegoating was pointless as it's a culmination. PMS rebutted by saying Garcia conceded the corner. He pinned the blame on Garcia. If he's still here and honest about it, he'll say so. It's fine if he wants to do that. I happen to think it was a poor collective performance brought about by too many changes and players in wrong positions. Garcia and Boyata are prime examples of this. Putting Garcia in a two-man midfield doesn't work. Putting Boyata at RB doesn't work. They contributed greatly to a poor performance.

It wasn't NQCitizen or any of his posts that is was a response to.

Was it inbetween? iPad makes this forum a bit wacky at times.

Inbetween said he thought Garcia made just one mistake all game, PMS replied that it was Garcia who gave the ball away in the build up to their corner.

That's pointing out a mistake.

P.S when posters are saying "don't use Garcia as a scapegoat/don't blame Garcia" then it implies that they feel he's "solely" being labelled the reason we failed to win.

 

[taconinja]

It wasn't NQCitizen or any of his posts that is was a response to.

Was it inbetween? iPad makes this forum a bit wacky at times.

Inbetween said he thought Garcia made just one mistake all game, PMS replied that it was Garcia who gave the ball away in the build up to their corner.

That's pointing out a mistake.

Fair point. He certainly made far too many mistakes today.