joe hart

[Pingu the Penguin]

He might feel he should have done better, but it was hardly a howler.

The ball comes late through a crowd with pace and bend. Very difficult.

The criticism is ridiculous

Not really "ridiculous"- the ball actually hit him and he didn't keep it out.

 

[BlueTG]

Let's show him we're behind him on Monday, I'm sure he will be more disappointed than anyone.

 

[Pingu the Penguin]

giving a striker all the room and time in the world to smash it from ten yards is not the best for keepers. He was also blind to it. I don't 'blame' Joe at all.

It was clearly his fault. It hit him for starters!

Hopefully though he's got "one" out of his system for the new season. We need a fully firing joe

So what. Shots hit keepers and go in all the time.
In a team game i find it difficult to pin the blame on any one individual. Sure, if a player (keepers included) is under no pressure or danger and they give the ball away or drop it at a strikers feet leading directly to a goal then yes, it's a clanger,howler, bollock dropped and blame can be laid.

In the context of open play the ball has to go past a lot of players, any one of which can influence the play. In tonight's case at least 5 England players should've done a lot better defending the attack. The guy's in the box with all the time in the world and nobody even remotely close. I'd expect most international pro footballers to score from there.

I think Joe would accept that he should have saved it - ofc it would be worse if it'd gone through is legs at 2 miles an hour with him fully sighted. But that's not really the point (and he was also 2nd in the unforced errors category last season). A keeper of his class should have saved it, and it's not the first one in that category over the last year or so. Regardless of all this - and which is my point - he can only benefit from greater competition, can't he?

 

[stonerblue]

It was clearly his fault. It hit him for starters!

Hopefully though he's got "one" out of his system for the new season. We need a fully firing joe

So what. Shots hit keepers and go in all the time.
In a team game i find it difficult to pin the blame on any one individual. Sure, if a player (keepers included) is under no pressure or danger and they give the ball away or drop it at a strikers feet leading directly to a goal then yes, it's a clanger,howler, bollock dropped and blame can be laid.

In the context of open play the ball has to go past a lot of players, any one of which can influence the play. In tonight's case at least 5 England players should've done a lot better defending the attack. The guy's in the box with all the time in the world and nobody even remotely close. I'd expect most international pro footballers to score from there.

I think Joe would accept that he should have saved it - ofc it would be worse if it'd gone through is legs at 2 miles an hour with him fully sighted. But that's not really the point (and he was also 2nd in the unforced errors category last season). A keeper of his class should have saved it, and it's not the first one in that category over the last year or so. Regardless of all this - and which is my point - he can only benefit from greater competition, can't he?

I don't think 'competition' works with keepers. They don't just get dropped because the 2nd choice looks good in training. Generally if the keeper doesn't let in too many soft goals and stays fit he stays 1st choice. The keeper on the bench must wait for either a series of mistakes or an injury to the number 1 before getting his chance.
Keepers just don't get 'rotated'. They could get a cup run from the off (don't mention the final) but they know the score. Waiting and staying fit and sharp is part of their game. Given being one of the 'i want first team football' exceptions.

 

[RandomJ]

Keepers are in the unfortunate position where if they make a mistake it's usually a costly one. But it's a team game and the joke of a defence in front of him did him no favours at all. He will probably feel he could have done better but you show me a keeper that never makes a mistake and i'll show you how to turn lead into gold.

How about instead of criticising him for every little mistake you get behind him and show him your support on Monday? Oh no that's far too much to ask for on this forum. We must have a scapegoat and since Dzeko is scoring goals Joe is next in line. Pathetic.

 

[stonerblue]

Keepers are in the unfortunate position where if they make a mistake it's usually a costly one. But it's a team game and the joke of a defence in front of him did him no favours at all. He will probably feel he could have done better but you show me a keeper that never makes a mistake and i'll show you how to turn lead into gold.

How about instead of criticising him for every little mistake you get behind him and show him your support on Monday? Oh no that's far too much to ask for on this forum. We must have a scapegoat and since Dzeko is scoring goals Joe is next in line. Pathetic.

whoa whoa whoa there..

plenty supporting Joe here too. Look up

 

[Pingu the Penguin]

Keepers are in the unfortunate position where if they make a mistake it's usually a costly one. But it's a team game and the joke of a defence in front of him did him no favours at all. He will probably feel he could have done better but you show me a keeper that never makes a mistake and i'll show you how to turn lead into gold.

How about instead of criticising him for every little mistake you get behind him and show him your support on Monday? Oh no that's far too much to ask for on this forum. We must have a scapegoat and since Dzeko is scoring goals Joe is next in line. Pathetic.

So suggesting signing a competitor is scapegoating?

Yes, you're right, this is bluemoon.

 

[Cheadle_hulmeBlue]

dont understand in this country why people always slate goalkeepers. Hart is the best keeper in england and we are lucky to have him.

 

[Gaylord du Bois]

Keepers are in the unfortunate position where if they make a mistake it's usually a costly one. But it's a team game and the joke of a defence in front of him did him no favours at all. He will probably feel he could have done better but you show me a keeper that never makes a mistake and i'll show you how to turn lead into gold.

How about instead of criticising him for every little mistake you get behind him and show him your support on Monday? Oh no that's far too much to ask for on this forum. We must have a scapegoat and since Dzeko is scoring goals Joe is next in line. Pathetic.

So suggesting signing a competitor is scapegoating?

Yes, you're right, this is bluemoon.

Have you been around football long? I've never heard of any team signing a keeper to compete with the incumbent. They're bought to replace entirely or as back up.

 

[Pingu the Penguin]

dont understand in this country why people always slate goalkeepers. Hart is the best keeper in england and we are lucky to have him.

aggggggh i give up!

I wasn't slating him - just saying he should have saved that (and a few more over the last year, given his obvious class)

What I was (and am!) saying is that there should be no sacred cows - he needs competition

 

[Cheadle_hulmeBlue]

dont understand in this country why people always slate goalkeepers. Hart is the best keeper in england and we are lucky to have him.

aggggggh i give up!

I wasn't slating him - just saying he should have saved that (and a few more over the last year, given his obvious class)

What I was (and am!) saying is that there should be no sacred cows - he needs competition

i wasn't refering to you or your post more the general feeling people have about goalkeepers.

btw i dont think we should buy competition having 2 goalies like we did when we had given doesnt work we have a main goalkeeper and then maybe an up and coming one or one that is happy on the bench.

 

[GeorgeHeslop'sTackle.]

Am I wrong or wasn't there some strong rumours about Joe needing a back operation as far back as two seasons ago?

Cant understand why the club have waited so long to get the thing done,. Should've been fixed a lot earlier, if so.

Not to worried about helping England, or the FA, out, to be honest. It's the club that pay his wages. City need to insist that they remain his priority.

 

[Mike N]

The shithouse defenders turning their backs on the shot didn't help Hart one bit.

 

[ChicagoBlue]

What a load of bollocks on this thread!

Hart is the best keeper in the League by a country mile! The only thing lacking in his game is his kicking.

He only saw the ball from 12 yards out, after being screened by 4 defenders, it was hit well, he got behind it, but it dipped at the last minute, he got his arm on it, but that deflected it down to his leg and he wasn't able to get enough behind it to keep it out. The End.

There is not a single goalkeeper IN THE WORLD that I would rather have at City. Neuer might be better at present, but he wont leave BM until he is wheeled out in a chair. Yes, a few keepers have a few good games and make a name for themselves with a save here and there, but Hart has CONSISTENTLY been the best keeper in the League for at least three seasons and is a young lad by GK standards! As fit and agile as he is, he might be the City and England keeper for the next decade.

Roll on the season, so we have something worthwhile to talk about, because Hart needing to competition and a kick up his arse is not it!

 

[Ducado]

Am I wrong or wasn't there some strong rumours about Joe needing a back operation as far back as two seasons ago?

Cant understand why the club have waited so long to get the thing done,. Should've been fixed a lot earlier, if so.

Not to worried about helping England, or the FA, out, to be honest. It's the club that pay his wages. City need to insist that they remain his priority.

So based on a rumour you can't understand why the club has waited so long? It's like the mad hatters tea party on here sometimes

 

[Phil Meup]

He's gone from my Fantasy team, I know that!
Harsh, but you've got to be ruthless....

 

[Bewar3them00n]

While I agree that he had a dip in form last season, the opening Scotland goal was unlucky, on first view the consensus is that he should've saved it, on seeing it again, and how it dipped very late, it was just bad luck it went in off his arm/ leg, he tried to adjust but couldn't quite keep it out.
This season, if Pants is pushing for a place in the first team, some genuine competition might give Hart that edge back he had a few seasons back that we only saw fleetingly last season, ironically, the best display I've ever seen by any keeper was his against Dortmund

 

[stonie]

ONE of the best keepers in the prem, keepers make the odd mistake and unfortunately jo has had s couple for england also cost us a couple of goals last season but also saved us a good few and played his part in the prems best defense, a great keeper and can and will only get better, big season for jo, he wont let us down...

 

[Benarbia]

I think management could see his dip in form and offered Wright a new deal. Expect to see him in net before too long

 

[George Hannah]

10 goals in 3 games admittedly doesn't look good but when you look at them carefully.....it's still not great