joe hart

[oakiecokie]

Another mistake tonite , but would we really feel any more secure with Pantilimon in goals ?

Or are you thinking of bringing an outsider in ?

I would hope that our defenders would have at least blocked the shot or cleared it better than Wellbeck did.

 

[Pingu the Penguin]

Sorry about the double thread...

I think we're all bought into the mantra of two players for every position. I'm not sure Pants quite cuts it - so you bring in a solid keeper who can bush him. I would have said the QPR keeper (but he's gone?) so I'd go for begovic

 

[oakiecokie]

Sorry about the double thread...

I think we're all bought into the mantra of two players for every position. I'm not sure Pants quite cuts it - so you bring in a solid keeper who can bush him. I would have said the QPR keeper (but he's gone?) so I'd go for begovic

Bush him hey !!!!!

 

[2sheikhs]

Shrek and cleverly made some howlers tonight. Both had easy chances to score and missed. Keepers seem to get hung out to dry if they make a mistake.

 

[BlueTG]

Shrek and cleverly made some howlers tonight. Both had easy chances to score and missed. Keepers seem to get hung out to dry if they make a mistake.

Because it usually leads to a goal for the opposition.
I played in goal for years and it comes with the territory. Unfortunately for goalkeepers is, if the left back fucks up and leads to your mistake, most will forget the left back's mistake.<br /><br />-- Wed Aug 14, 2013 11:28 pm --<br /><br />

Sorry about the double thread...

I think we're all bought into the mantra of two players for every position. I'm not sure Pants quite cuts it - so you bring in a solid keeper who can bush him. I would have said the QPR keeper (but he's gone?) so I'd go for begovic

I dont think Begovic would swap first team football for bench warming tbh.

 

[gmckennasell]

It has been discussed, who should we get in?

How many decent keepers will come to City and be left with the chance they will get splinters on their arse because they are trying to dislodge Joe Hart. If he needs competition like everyone says, then it will obviously see him excel. Like having Given, the other keeper will not play 2nd fiddle for long and want out. Otherwise we dislodge Hart, ship him out and we end up possibly in the same situation.

Kick him up the arse, show him he's droppable and give him some good coaching and he will be fine for me.

this in a nutshell , excellent post , joe is still a good keeper , but like any player can lose form , i was hoping joe would have a brilliant game tonight and ram my comments down my throat , but he just proved my point . The management need to act , if he drops a clanger against newcastle the press will murder him , he still a young keeper and has set very high standards , stick him on the bench for a couple of games ,hes a confident lad and he believes in his ability , he will come back more determined than ever.

 

[Pingu the Penguin]

In terms of bench warming, we're happy to have 4 top strikers tho - and have paid 20 mill plus for all of them

I think Joe is a great keeper, but IMHO his performance level is dropping and I do think he needs a bit of bushing, erm, pushing

 

[BlueTG]

In terms of bench warming, we're happy to have 4 top strikers tho - and have paid 20 mill plus for all of them

I think Joe is a great keeper, but IMHO his performance level is dropping and I do think he needs a bit of bushing, erm, pushing

You can have 1,2 or 3 playing at any one time. It's also more knackering playing up front than in goal, especially as we attack a lot, so strikers need rest more often than goalkeepers. Also because there is more option to play more than one of them, they know they will get game time, where as if there is a preferred keeper, how many substitute keepers get to come off the bench or step in whilst the first choice get's a rest?

More often than not, the defence of the team needs to be consistent and often the same to form understanding and a solid defence, and sometimes it is good to change up the attack as it gives us more options and catches the opposition out.

 

[Pingu the Penguin]

In terms of bench warming, we're happy to have 4 top strikers tho - and have paid 20 mill plus for all of them

I think Joe is a great keeper, but IMHO his performance level is dropping and I do think he needs a bit of bushing, erm, pushing

You can have 1,2 or 3 playing at any one time. It's also more knackering playing up front than in goal, especially as we attack a lot, so strikers need rest more often than goalkeepers. Also because there is more option to play more than one of them, they know they will get game time, where as if there is a preferred keeper, how many substitute keepers get to come off the bench or step in whilst the first choice get's a rest?

More often than not, the defence of the team needs to be consistent and often the same to form understanding and a solid defence, and sometimes it is good to change up the attack as it gives us more options and catches the opposition out.

Your assuming that I mean chop and change them - I don't. Get a new strong keeper in and let them fight it out for the job. If the newbie wins then so be it.

 

[LoveCity]

In terms of bench warming, we're happy to have 4 top strikers tho - and have paid 20 mill plus for all of them

I think Joe is a great keeper, but IMHO his performance level is dropping and I do think he needs a bit of bushing, erm, pushing

Agreed - some are raising the Golden Gloves argument and he played a huge part in acquiring that award in the 11/12 season, in which he was incredible, but the 12/13 season was more down to the defensive setup. Hart's standards have dropped, it's very clear (his best performances were actually in the Champions League last season, he saved our arse against Dortmund but such performances were rare), and it's his nationality and connection to the club as an 'almost' homegrown player that is protecting him from extra pressure. Were he foreign, I think he'd be under serious pressure after his amount of unforced errors last season (only Al Habsi at relegated Wigan had more) and we'd probably hear names like Ter Stegen linked to us.

I think he has done enough to be given a chance to show what he's capable of this season though and to suggest we sell him is way OTT. Hypothetically though, were he to have another dodgy season with errors like tonight's, the club would have a real dilemma on what to do... it'd be very difficult for the club to ever sell Hart I feel for several reasons. Huge season for him I think.

 

[stonerblue]

giving a striker all the room and time in the world to smash it from ten yards is not the best for keepers. He was also blind to it. I don't 'blame' Joe at all.

 

[rogdogblue]

Joe is custodian at a bad time. As long as he doesn't let his England traumas affect his club form we'll be OK.

 

[Pingu the Penguin]

giving a striker all the room and time in the world to smash it from ten yards is not the best for keepers. He was also blind to it. I don't 'blame' Joe at all.

It was clearly his fault. It hit him for starters!

Hopefully though he's got "one" out of his system for the new season. We need a fully firing joe

 

[BlueTG]

In terms of bench warming, we're happy to have 4 top strikers tho - and have paid 20 mill plus for all of them

I think Joe is a great keeper, but IMHO his performance level is dropping and I do think he needs a bit of bushing, erm, pushing

You can have 1,2 or 3 playing at any one time. It's also more knackering playing up front than in goal, especially as we attack a lot, so strikers need rest more often than goalkeepers. Also because there is more option to play more than one of them, they know they will get game time, where as if there is a preferred keeper, how many substitute keepers get to come off the bench or step in whilst the first choice get's a rest?

More often than not, the defence of the team needs to be consistent and often the same to form understanding and a solid defence, and sometimes it is good to change up the attack as it gives us more options and catches the opposition out.

Your assuming that I mean chop and change them - I don't. Get a new strong keeper in and let them fight it out for the job. If the newbie wins then so be it.

But then we have someone who wants out. For example, I don't think Fraser Forster or Alex McCarthy would consider moving to us, because if they fail, they've wasted years playing time. A goalkeeper's position is a hard one to cover. When I played as my teams number one, many good keepers came to join us, and left because they only played the odd friendly and tournament. I think it's similar at the top level. You have your preferred who is obviously at a good level, then those willing to sit on the bench are often not as good.

One or the other has to play, as you said no chopping and changing. Then one will leave, and it leaves us with only one quality keeper again. It would cycle that way unless one is willing to sit and not play regularly

 

[Pingu the Penguin]

You can have 1,2 or 3 playing at any one time. It's also more knackering playing up front than in goal, especially as we attack a lot, so strikers need rest more often than goalkeepers. Also because there is more option to play more than one of them, they know they will get game time, where as if there is a preferred keeper, how many substitute keepers get to come off the bench or step in whilst the first choice get's a rest?

More often than not, the defence of the team needs to be consistent and often the same to form understanding and a solid defence, and sometimes it is good to change up the attack as it gives us more options and catches the opposition out.

Your assuming that I mean chop and change them - I don't. Get a new strong keeper in and let them fight it out for the job. If the newbie wins then so be it.

But then we have someone who wants out. For example, I don't think Fraser Forster or Alex McCarthy would consider moving to us, because if they fail, they've wasted years playing time. A goalkeeper's position is a hard one to cover. When I played as my teams number one, many good keepers came to join us, and left because they only played the odd friendly and tournament. I think it's similar at the top level. You have your preferred who is obviously at a good level, then those willing to sit on the bench are often not as good.

I hear what you're saying, and I appreciate that keepers are a bit of a special case (as one myself!) but the alternative is just to throw your hands up and say "ok, lets just not worry about it and stick with pants". I think that's a bit complacent. You also dont get someone wanting out straight away either. The new guy you bring in and say its a fair fight for the job (which he'd have to appreciate might take a season - for which he'd be more than fairly remunerated for I'd bet!) and you hope that if he was dislodged (which is far from a given) Joe would work double hard to get his shirt back .

 

[Gaylord du Bois]

He's still young and still learning but there isn't a keeper that's ever lived that didn't make the odd gaffe or howler.
Age wise he's got to be one of the best in the world and we should be doing everything in our power to keep him at the club. Start fucking him about and we really could come unstuck.
He might not be the best but he's not far off.

 

[Blue and Proud]

Top keeper there's no doubt, however he does still have a weakness in shot stopping to his left and poor accuracy in kicking long. Improve these areas and he'll be the perfect keeper.

 

[Marvin]

He might feel he should have done better, but it was hardly a howler.

The ball comes late through a crowd with pace and bend. Very difficult.

The criticism is ridiculous

 

[BlueTG]

Your assuming that I mean chop and change them - I don't. Get a new strong keeper in and let them fight it out for the job. If the newbie wins then so be it.

But then we have someone who wants out. For example, I don't think Fraser Forster or Alex McCarthy would consider moving to us, because if they fail, they've wasted years playing time. A goalkeeper's position is a hard one to cover. When I played as my teams number one, many good keepers came to join us, and left because they only played the odd friendly and tournament. I think it's similar at the top level. You have your preferred who is obviously at a good level, then those willing to sit on the bench are often not as good.

I hear what you're saying, and I appreciate that keepers are a bit of a special case (as one myself!) but the alternative is just to throw your hands up and say "ok, lets just not worry about it and stick with pants". I think that's a bit complacent. You also dont get someone wanting out straight away either. The new guy you bring in and say its a fair fight for the job (which he'd have to appreciate might take a seasons - for which he'd be more than fairly remunerated for I'd bet!) and you hope that if he was dislodged (which is afar from a given) Joe would work double hard to get his shirt back .

I know what you are getting at, but especially today, it is less likely to happen. I think personally for the time being, Pellegrini should have a word with him, make sure he has the support and training required and hopefully watch him shine again. It depends on the type of guy he is, and the type of manager Pellegrini is. A quiet, confident word in his ear might go a long way with him, where as shunning him or just bringing in someone else might make the matter worse.

What is good though, is that we know what he is capable of, so if it's still not there part way through this coming campaign, then we should look at bringing reinforcements in, in January IMO

 

[stonerblue]

giving a striker all the room and time in the world to smash it from ten yards is not the best for keepers. He was also blind to it. I don't 'blame' Joe at all.

It was clearly his fault. It hit him for starters!

Hopefully though he's got "one" out of his system for the new season. We need a fully firing joe

So what. Shots hit keepers and go in all the time.
In a team game i find it difficult to pin the blame on any one individual. Sure, if a player (keepers included) is under no pressure or danger and they give the ball away or drop it at a strikers feet leading directly to a goal then yes, it's a clanger,howler, bollock dropped and blame can be laid.

In the context of open play the ball has to go past a lot of players, any one of which can influence the play. In tonight's case at least 5 England players should've done a lot better defending the attack. The guy's in the box with all the time in the world and nobody even remotely close. I'd expect most international pro footballers to score from there.