joe hart

[George Hannah]

Re: Discuss Pellegrini (Pt 3)

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As at the end of last season

"Let’s compare No.1′s from two very different sides – Man City and QPR. Joe Hart (City) has an impressive 13 clean sheets – the most in the league – while Julio Cesar (QPR) has just 5. If this were the only metric we examined, it would be obvious the Hart was the stronger keeper.

A slightly more accurate statistic would be if we factored in the number of games each player has played – 29 vs. 21. Now Hart’s achievements seem even more impressive. The Laser Blue ends games with a clean slate 44.8% of the time, while Cesar manages it on just 23.8% of occasions."

Apparently 9 games in Gerhard Tremmel is currently the best keeper in the country

Pity he's not Spanish, the Cisco Kids would snap him up.

You're beyond any kind of help. Hilariously, you accuse saves percentages as being a function of the whole defence, when it isn't, but cleans sheets isn't, when it is... This will be my last post ever to you. You're not worth talking to about anything, football or not.

I'm truly grateful.

 

[squirtyflower]

Re: Discuss Pellegrini (Pt 3)

Panti must be the much better keeper using your stats because after three games he has 100% clean sheets

shows how ridiculous those stats are

if you say so squirty it must be true,.

No more point talking to you about football than there was about...

...anything

 

[George Hannah]

Re: Discuss Pellegrini (Pt 3)

Panti must be the much better keeper using your stats because after three games he has 100% clean sheets

shows how ridiculous those stats are

if you say so squirty it must be true,.

No more point talking to you about football than there was about...

...anything

profundity layered upon profundity, epic moderation.

 

[Skashion]

Re: Discuss Pellegrini (Pt 3)

Panti must be the much better keeper using your stats because after three games he has 100% clean sheets

shows how ridiculous those stats are

if you say so squirty it must be true,.

No more point talking to you about football than there was about...

...anything

Ironically, I do agree with him quite often with him over footballing issues. I was a Mancini fan, I am a Joe Hart fan, I want to see Joe Hart back to his best and playing for us for a long time. However, I simply cannot be doing with Johnny Crossan/George Hannah. I am fundamentally a man of evidence. If the evidence says I am wrong, I am wrong. He isn't. He is a faith man, he has his beliefs and sticks to them regardless of evidence. Any stats will be twisted to fit his beliefs. Like one time when he asserted that 96% of scientists believed in God, because 96% of people believed in God (which isn't true either), and scientists are people...

I see the AGs and their sneerleaders are out in force this sunny morning. Right, let's deal with the numbers issue first even though I've pointed out it has absolutely nothing to do with anything. You do seem to like the argument from consensus tho' don't you boys, even if it is a warped and totally discredited one - "eat shit, a billion flies can't be wrong".

There you go - do the sums

"How many scientists are there in the world?In: Scientists [Edit categories]
AdsAnswer:.According to AAAS, there were 5.8 million science and engineering researchers in 2006.Their source is OECD, which might have later data. Read more: <a class="postlink" href="http://wiki.answers.com/Q/How_many_scientists_are_there_in_the_world#ixzz27Bc5paSa" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://wiki.answers.com/Q/How_many_scie ... z27Bc5paSa</a>

as for the Skash "refutation" of my argument - well I can only say religion is not a traditional specialism of scientists. As for saying Christians were responsible for the holocaust, it only shows his Porkie Practice is beginning to show results. Great job Sweep,
keep your eye on the detail and never be distracted by the big picture.

This is gold. Your unnamed source i.e. anybody could have posted it, including you, simply says there are 5.8 million scientists, not 96% of 5.8 million scientists believe in God.

Do the sums, no no Johnny. It doesn't work like that.
Fact: Manchester United are the most supported football team in the world.
Fact: Bluemoon is a football forum.
Fact: Manchester United are the most supported team on Bluemoon...

I never said Christianity led to the holocaust, however, the long-standing European Christian-derived hatred of Jews for killing Jesus, facilitating the holocaust is a far far better explanation than claiming thinking scientists are more qualified to consider whether physical evidence suggests a deity or doesn't, leads to the holocaust.

<a class="postlink-local" href="http://forums.bluemoon-mcfc.co.uk/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=266964&p=6029197&hilit=united+forum#p6029197" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">viewtopic.php?f=5&t=266964&p=6029197&hilit=united+forum#p6029197</a>

 

[George Hannah]

Re: Discuss Pellegrini (Pt 3)

if you say so squirty it must be true,.

No more point talking to you about football than there was about...

...anything

Ironically, I do agree with him quite often with him over footballing issues. I was a Mancini fan, I am a Joe Hart fan, I want to see Joe Hart back to his best and playing for us for a long time. However, I simply cannot be doing with Johnny Crossan/George Hannah. I am fundamentally a man of evidence. If the evidence says I am wrong, I am wrong. He isn't. He is a faith man, he has his beliefs and sticks to them regardless of evidence. Any stats will be twisted to fit his beliefs. Like one time when he asserted that 96% of scientists believed in God, because 96% of people believed in God (which isn't true either), and scientists are people...

I see the AGs and their sneerleaders are out in force this sunny morning. Right, let's deal with the numbers issue first even though I've pointed out it has absolutely nothing to do with anything. You do seem to like the argument from consensus tho' don't you boys, even if it is a warped and totally discredited one - "eat shit, a billion flies can't be wrong".

There you go - do the sums

"How many scientists are there in the world?In: Scientists [Edit categories]
AdsAnswer:.According to AAAS, there were 5.8 million science and engineering researchers in 2006.Their source is OECD, which might have later data. Read more: <a class="postlink" href="http://wiki.answers.com/Q/How_many_scientists_are_there_in_the_world#ixzz27Bc5paSa" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://wiki.answers.com/Q/How_many_scie ... z27Bc5paSa</a>

as for the Skash "refutation" of my argument - well I can only say religion is not a traditional specialism of scientists. As for saying Christians were responsible for the holocaust, it only shows his Porkie Practice is beginning to show results. Great job Sweep,
keep your eye on the detail and never be distracted by the big picture.

This is gold. Your unnamed source i.e. anybody could have posted it, including you, simply says there are 5.8 million scientists, not 96% of 5.8 million scientists believe in God.

Do the sums, no no Johnny. It doesn't work like that.
Fact: Manchester United are the most supported football team in the world.
Fact: Bluemoon is a football forum.
Fact: Manchester United are the most supported team on Bluemoon...

I never said Christianity led to the holocaust, however, the long-standing European Christian-derived hatred of Jews for killing Jesus, facilitating the holocaust is a far far better explanation than claiming thinking scientists are more qualified to consider whether physical evidence suggests a deity or doesn't, leads to the holocaust.

<a class="postlink-local" href="http://forums.bluemoon-mcfc.co.uk/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=266964&p=6029197&hilit=united+forum#p6029197" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">viewtopic.php?f=5&t=266964&p=6029197&hilit=united+forum#p6029197</a>

just for clarification an "AG" is an Alpha Geek, which Johnny Crossan (of blessed memory) copywrited along with "Cabal" "Dismal" "Serial Malcontent" and other terms used extensively on this forum. What a guy.

 

[Rolee]

I think these stats are relevant when assessing his form... and decline in form.

What are the three errors he has made this season?

 

[Gaylord du Bois]

I think these stats are relevant when assessing his form... and decline in form.

What are the three errors he has made this season?

Don't bother. The whole squad have a pass on transition apart from the keeper.

 

[kiwikiddy]

Re: Discuss Pellegrini (Pt 3)

Pants stays in.

Hart should return and stay in the team thereafter - this is an absurd situation, he is the better keeper even though he has made more mistakes than usual lately.

So how many games would you allow hart to go on 'making mistakes' that lose us games before dropping him George?

Pants should stay in until he either desrves to dropped through a mistake or Hart deserves his place back due to better performances in training. Dropping Joe proves Pellers picks on form not reputation. If all our players take this on board then we will be all the stronger for it.

 

[mat]

I wonder if the UK media will show pellers pre match interview?

Very complimentary of Joe and respectful of the England team. Spin that one Daily Mail!

Is there a link to that i can look at later or an idea what he said?

He told Al-jazerra he considered "resting" Joe three weeks ago but put the needs of the England team in front of his own team. the games up to and past the friendly internationals Hart will be training harder with goalkeeping coaches and hopefully return as our number 1.

 

[MillionDollarDream]

Re: Discuss Pellegrini (Pt 3)

Hart should return and stay in the team thereafter - this is an absurd situation, he is the better keeper even though he has made more mistakes than usual lately.

So how many games would you allow hart to go on 'making mistakes' that lose us games before dropping him George?

Pants should stay in until he either desrves to dropped through a mistake or Hart deserves his place back due to better performances in training. Dropping Joe proves Pellers picks on form not reputation. If all our players take this on board then we will be all the stronger for it.

But how many mistakes? MP's quotes looks like he's taken into account last seasons dip in form by Hart.

 

[George Hannah]

I wonder if the UK media will show pellers pre match interview?

Very complimentary of Joe and respectful of the England team. Spin that one Daily Mail!

Is there a link to that i can look at later or an idea what he said?

He told Al-jazerra he considered "resting" Joe three weeks ago but put the needs of the England team in front of his own team. the games up to and past the friendly internationals Hart will be training harder with goalkeeping coaches and hopefully return as our number 1.

until Casillas arrives in January?

 

[Heart.net]

Re: Discuss Pellegrini (Pt 3)

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[Crouchinho]

Still the best English goalie. The others are very poor for me.

Roy should keep playing hart, the last time we dicked around mclaren put Carson in for robbo and it cost us a Euro place. Again changing goalies in the world cup with Rob green was embarrassing.

Hart is out of form but still would be my first choice. Being benched may actually fire him up and improve him. Pellegrini done the right thing

 

[cibaman]

I wonder if the UK media will show pellers pre match interview?

Very complimentary of Joe and respectful of the England team. Spin that one Daily Mail!

Is there a link to that i can look at later or an idea what he said?

He told Al-jazerra he considered "resting" Joe three weeks ago but put the needs of the England team in front of his own team. the games up to and past the friendly internationals Hart will be training harder with goalkeeping coaches and hopefully return as our number 1.

Did he really say that? I could see that he would have been influenced by the fact that England had two games coming up. Probably reasoned that Hart would get a run of 3 games (Everton, Montenegro & Poland) to re-gain his confidence, but only one of those games carried any risk to City. Hence picking him for the Everton game made sense from a risk/reward perspective. I would be astonished if he only picked Hart for the Everton game because he didn't want to jeopardise England's chances.

 

[adrianr]

Re: Discuss Pellegrini (Pt 3)

So how many games would you allow hart to go on 'making mistakes' that lose us games before dropping him George?

Pants should stay in until he either desrves to dropped through a mistake or Hart deserves his place back due to better performances in training. Dropping Joe proves Pellers picks on form not reputation. If all our players take this on board then we will be all the stronger for it.

But how many mistakes? MP's quotes looks like he's taken into account last seasons dip in form by Hart.

As he should. The larger your data set, the more reliable conclusions you can draw. If he really has been on the decline over the past two seasons, thats worth knowing. Maybe if it had just been this season he'd still be in the team fighting through it, but as it's been going on much longer, perhaps Pellegrini is convinced it's not going to be solved with more game time?

 

[supercity88]

Re: Discuss Pellegrini (Pt 3)

Far too early to bring Hart back in again. Stats over the last few seasons show an increase in goals conceded from his mistakes. I think he needs a rest and needs to just get himself together. Whilst he has been well known to City for what feels like years and years now, stepping into the England fold as seen him become a house hold name and he is in hair adverts and his generally exposure to the press and gossip wheel has increased quite rapidly. Now we know he can deal with it and he comes across as a grounded individual. He knows that the press will give him stick and I think he just needs a spell on the bench to gather himself, keep working hard and just get back into a positive mind set. Bring him back after a month out in a home game so that he can improve confidence and have the fans behind him. He will come back a better player for it. Pellegrini has made the right call.

 

[George Hannah]

Re: Discuss Pellegrini (Pt 3)

Pants should stay in until he either desrves to dropped through a mistake or Hart deserves his place back due to better performances in training. Dropping Joe proves Pellers picks on form not reputation. If all our players take this on board then we will be all the stronger for it.

But how many mistakes? MP's quotes looks like he's taken into account last seasons dip in form by Hart.

As he should. The larger your data set, the more reliable conclusions you can draw. If he really has been on the decline over the past two seasons, thats worth knowing. Maybe if it had just been this season he'd still be in the team fighting through it, but as it's been going on much longer, perhaps Pellegrini is convinced it's not going to be solved with more game time?

So Joe's been in the departure lounge a while then? Could someone post a link to the Pellegrini quotes please?

 

[George Hannah]

minority view it seems

 

[Lancet Fluke]

I think these stats are relevant when assessing his form... and decline in form.

I know statistics don't necessarily tell the whole story but that drop in save percentage from the title winning season is alarming. It isn't just the mistakes, his all round game seems to have dipped.

 

[George Hannah]

I think these stats are relevant when assessing his form... and decline in form.

I know statistics don't necessarily tell the whole story but that drop in save percentage from the title winning season is alarming.

anybody find out what these 3 errors are yet?