John Terry [Merged]

[Pam]

All these reports that JT will say no to us are coming from players like Drogba and Essien,i mean what else are they going to say where as a much closer friend of his Lampard hints more that he will leave.
I still firmly believe he will come to us as his silence is still deafening

I hope you're right, my usual pessimism makes me feel he's using us to get a better deal at Chelsea.

I don't know enough about John Terry to judge whether he is cynical enough to do this but the reason I don't believe it is that Chelski do not appear to be in any position to offer anything near what we can offer and Terry is unlikely to be under any illusions about this. I happen to think he's telling the truth when he says he was given assurances that the club would buy big in the summer and feels he's been conned a bit. It's the timing that makes me think this because City didn't mention any notion of bidding for Terry until well into the close season so I don't think the original idea came from us. I think he was the one doing the tapping up when he saw Abromovich's lack of intent.

 

[Nixon_The_Bike_Thief]

Pointless reading the papers any more, for every article promoting one stance, you can easily find another supporting the opposite on the same day !

Last Paragraph of the Tevez Article in the Independant

The sentiment emerging from the United States, that Chelsea have rising hopes of keeping the England captain, has not engendered any pessimism around the City contingent and there is optimism that the many positive signals which they have received about Terry’s readiness to make the move will translate into a transfer. It is felt here that the next week will be decisive where the move for Terry is concerned.

 

[Chippy_boy]

JOHN TERRY has agreed in principle to stay at Chelsea and reject the chance to join Manchester City. Negotiations over an improved deal will take place once Chelsea return from their pre-season tour of the United States.

<a class="postlink" href="http://www.independent.ie/sport/soccer/terry-ready-to-issue-statement-of-intent-and-turn-down-city-1835627.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.independent.ie/sport/soccer/ ... 35627.html</a>

Even if this is true (and as we all know it could be complete BS anyway) then it means little.

"Agreed in principle" means "agreed subject to agreeing some things that are in fact not yet agreed".

Like Terry says - "OK, I have agreed to stay in principle. Now let's get down to brass tacks. City are offering me £250k per week, so you (chelsea) need to give me at least £200k". And Chelsea say "get lost, £170k max" and Terry says "OK I am off then".

 

[Nixon_The_Bike_Thief]

lol last two links, same paper, same day, different reporter. Only one way to sort it out....

FIGHT !

 

[The Doctor]

I don't know enough about John Terry to judge whether he is cynical enough to do this but the reason I don't believe it is that Chelski do not appear to be in any position to offer anything near what we can offer and Terry is unlikely to be under any illusions about this. I happen to think he's telling the truth when he says he was given assurances that the club would buy big in the summer and feels he's been conned a bit. It's the timing that makes me think this because City didn't mention any notion of bidding for Terry until well into the close season so I don't think the original idea came from us. I think he was the one doing the tapping up when he saw Abromovich's lack of intent.[/quote]

Interesting theory.................however too many of the 'informed press' are today carrying the story that JT will remain at Chelsea for it not to be true! We gave it our best shot to get him but in the end
his love for Chelsea will win the day! So it's Toure & Lescott to complete the jigsaw.................however what we still lack is a real LEADER on the pitch so maybe it's time for DeJong to step up to the plate and be our driving force. Dunney as much as we love him is not a leader and I've not seen enough of Gareth Barry to suggest he'd make a good leader.

 

[zeusbheld]

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/sport/football/premier_league/article6723838.ece

They seem sure that he will be staying at Chelsea.

I'm really not bothered - other than the usual "Terry Snubs City", and "Cook fails again" shite.

If we get Lescott and Kolo Toure (or even better options), our defence will be much improved.

I honestly don't think we'll be made to look bad if (as expected) Terry stays at Chelsea, everyone knows his head was turned.
Yes, the Kaka saga wasn't good but i think Cook has learned from that.

papers may try to punch up the drama but it'll be obvious within football just how close we came, and even failing it makes our ambition--and willingness to throw money at our ambition--clear. it hasn't looked frivolous and bungled like the Kaka bid and even if Terry stays his silence has validated the bid. i think, like the Eto'o bid, we come out looking just fine.

contrast that with the transfer antics of another prem team, Singapore's Finest. after having a 25 million bid accepted, and being knocked back in no uncertain terms by the player, and on a personal level... the manager claims Tevez "wasn't good enough" for his squad. i guess you're never too old to invest in a pair of clownshoes...

 

[Nixon_The_Bike_Thief]

Interesting theory.................however too many of the 'informed press' are today carrying the story that JT will remain at Chelsea for it not to be true!

lol would you consider the independant "the informed press" ! (see above)

 

[The Doctor]

Interesting theory.................however too many of the 'informed press' are today carrying the story that JT will remain at Chelsea for it not to be true!

lol would you consider the independant "the informed press" ! (see above)

How about The Times The Telegraph etc etc....................
Get used to it HE AIN'T COMING!

 

[Pam]

JOHN TERRY has agreed in principle to stay at Chelsea and reject the chance to join Manchester City. Negotiations over an improved deal will take place once Chelsea return from their pre-season tour of the United States.

<a class="postlink" href="http://www.independent.ie/sport/soccer/terry-ready-to-issue-statement-of-intent-and-turn-down-city-1835627.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.independent.ie/sport/soccer/ ... 35627.html</a>

Even if this is true (and as we all know it could be complete BS anyway) then it means little.

"Agreed in principle" means "agreed subject to agreeing some things that are in fact not yet agreed".

Like Terry says - "OK, I have agreed to stay in principle. Now let's get down to brass tacks. City are offering me £250k per week, so you (chelsea) need to give me at least £200k". And Chelsea say "get lost, £170k max" and Terry says "OK I am off then".

This "in priniciple" thing is utter crap. If he'd agreed anything "in principle", he would have said so already. What are they saying, he has agreed to sign a new contract in principle but not until Saturday afternoon at 14.05 Hrs? Unsourced bollocks. A monkey could do the job of these print journalists. They ape each other's bullshit. I don't know which is the most scandalous, them writing it or people believing it no matter how many times their pronouncements turn out to be bullshit.

 

[Chippy_boy]

too many of the 'informed press' are today carrying the story that JT will remain at Chelsea for it not to be true!

It may be true that he is staying (who knows). But I don't buy the above argument at all.

For this to be reliable, they either need to have heard it directly from JT (and clearly they haven't), or they need to have had lots of sources all independently confirming the story. And there's no evidence for that either.

It's quite possible some "source close to the club" has said something to some or all of the papers, but does that mean we can reliably say he's not coming? No it doesn't. The papers are all so desperate for something to print and they have to print something, so they hang on every word and sensationalise everthing. There's no mileage in a headline saying "John Terry might be staying at Chelsea but he may not be."

Bottom line is, I take all these articles with a pinch of salt.

 

[jay-lofty]

As city fans we can always be optimistic so until he comes out and says he isn't coming, it's still on

 

[BibbyBlue85]

too many of the 'informed press' are today carrying the story that JT will remain at Chelsea for it not to be true!

It may be true that he is staying (who knows). But I don't buy the above argument at all.

For this to be reliable, they either need to have heard it directly from JT (and clearly they haven't), or they need to have had lots of sources all independently confirming the story. And there's no evidence for that either.

It's quite possible some "source close to the club" has said something to some or all of the papers, but does that mean we can reliably say he's not coming? No it doesn't. The papers are all so desperate for something to print and they have to print something, so they hang on every word and sensationalise everthing. There's no mileage in a headline saying John Terry might be staying at Chelsea, but he may not be.

Bottom line is, I take all these articles with a pinch of salt.

Exactly mate, it's just tomorrows chip paper ;)

 

[Lomas has a lob on]

I don't know enough about John Terry to judge whether he is cynical enough to do this but the reason I don't believe it is that Chelski do not appear to be in any position to offer anything near what we can offer and Terry is unlikely to be under any illusions about this. I happen to think he's telling the truth when he says he was given assurances that the club would buy big in the summer and feels he's been conned a bit. It's the timing that makes me think this because City didn't mention any notion of bidding for Terry until well into the close season so I don't think the original idea came from us. I think he was the one doing the tapping up when he saw Abromovich's lack of intent.

Interesting theory.................however too many of the 'informed press' are today carrying the story that JT will remain at Chelsea for it not to be true! We gave it our best shot to get him but in the end
his love for Chelsea will win the day! So it's Toure & Lescott to complete the jigsaw.................however what we still lack is a real LEADER on the pitch so maybe it's time for DeJong to step up to the plate and be our driving force. Dunney as much as we love him is not a leader and I've not seen enough of Gareth Barry to suggest he'd make a good leader.[/quote]i agree with your leadership worries, thats why terry was (is) a unique signing, i cant think of another player who we could justify signin and take the arm band as well! thats why im not against signing a 30/31 year old at the back as long as we get lescott, carvalho although not a captain is vastly experienced, and a poster yesterday mentioned gallas as well, same applies with him! the likes of ned and micah would learn off these older guys, and we'd only need them for 2 years then ned and micah would have done there growing up! just my thoughts

 

[Pam]

too many of the 'informed press' are today carrying the story that JT will remain at Chelsea for it not to be true!

It may be true that he is staying (who knows). But I don't buy the above argument at all.

For this to be reliable, they either need to have heard it directly from JT (and clearly they haven't), or they need to have had lots of sources all independently confirming the story. And there's no evidence for that either.

It's quite possible some "source close to the club" has said something to some or all of the papers, but does that mean we can reliably say he's not coming? No it doesn't. The papers are all so desperate for something to print and they have to print something, so they hang on every word and sensationalise everthing. There's no mileage in a headline saying John Terry might be staying at Chelsea, but he may not be.

Bottom line is, I take all these articles with a pinch of salt.

I don't buy it either. All the newspapers carried the story that Abedayor and Tevez were going to Chelski. Whenever you get a slew of newspaper headlines with nothing to back it up, you can hear the radio and television sources repeating it as "paper talk" and gradually the story withers on the vine. By tonight, no one will be saying it. I can't remember when I last bought a newspaper. The 24 hour news cycle have turned them into the also rans of the media business. They are comics, we know they are.

 

[mcfc1632]

Whatever -

Him staying was always a certainty - if Chelsea offer much improved contract in terms of salary and length.

They clearly did not want to do that but looks like they will cave him

Him coming to us was always a distinct possibility if they did not make him the offer - we did the right thing - you have to buy a ticket to be in with a chance of winning

We have not lost out - we would have preferred to sign him, but we get certain benefits anyway:

1/ Clear worldwide evidence that our financial power can make even the 'elite' players give us serious consideration
2/ A month of worldwide promotion of the strength of our club and the impact that will have had on other targets
3/ A Premiership rival being seriously disrupted / distracted in their pre-season and being forced to break all their pay tariffs which will cause further unrest in their camp as new players and existing players seek better deals - that they are not likely to want to afford

We will have had some other targets in mind (Hangeland?) and will now make moves

 

[Nixon_The_Bike_Thief]

lol would you consider the independant "the informed press" ! (see above)

How about The Times The Telegraph etc etc....................
Get used to it HE AIN'T COMING!

Never thought he was but not because I read anything in a paper ? especially any that run that hes staying on one page and going on another. Before you completely transform into an arsehole realise I was just pointing out the inconsistency and how useless even the broadsheets are.
Fucking sphincter !

 

[bluemoon32]

As city fans we can always be optimistic so until he comes out and says he isn't coming, it's still on

I aint, nearly 40 years of supporting City has made me a right pessimistic, miserable sod lol.
Although i think all that is likely to change over the next few years :-D

 

[Pam]

I don't know enough about John Terry to judge whether he is cynical enough to do this but the reason I don't believe it is that Chelski do not appear to be in any position to offer anything near what we can offer and Terry is unlikely to be under any illusions about this. I happen to think he's telling the truth when he says he was given assurances that the club would buy big in the summer and feels he's been conned a bit. It's the timing that makes me think this because City didn't mention any notion of bidding for Terry until well into the close season so I don't think the original idea came from us. I think he was the one doing the tapping up when he saw Abromovich's lack of intent.

Interesting theory.................however too many of the 'informed press' are today carrying the story that JT will remain at Chelsea for it not to be true! We gave it our best shot to get him but in the end
his love for Chelsea will win the day! So it's Toure & Lescott to complete the jigsaw.................however what we still lack is a real LEADER on the pitch so maybe it's time for DeJong to step up to the plate and be our driving force. Dunney as much as we love him is not a leader and I've not seen enough of Gareth Barry to suggest he'd make a good leader.

i agree with your leadership worries, thats why terry was (is) a unique signing, i cant think of another player who we could justify signin and take the arm band as well! thats why im not against signing a 30/31 year old at the back as long as we get lescott, carvalho although not a captain is vastly experienced, and a poster yesterday mentioned gallas as well, same applies with him! the likes of ned and micah would learn off these older guys, and we'd only need them for 2 years then ned and micah would have done there growing up! just my thoughts[/quote]

"The informed press" is a contradiction in terms. There is no such animal. The broadsheets are every bit as bad as the tabloids when it comes to sports coverage these days. Go and have a look and the sort of stories they've been running in the last few weeks. How many times hase they been right, these "informed papers". Hardly ever.

 

[Pam]

lol would you consider the independant "the informed press" ! (see above)

How about The Times The Telegraph etc etc....................
Get used to it HE AIN'T COMING!

WHERE IS THEIR EVIDENCE?

 

[The Doctor]

How about The Times The Telegraph etc etc....................
Get used to it HE AIN'T COMING!

Never thought he was but not because I read anything in a paper ? especially any that run that hes staying on one page and going on another. Before you completely transform into an arsehole realise I was just pointing out the inconsistency and how useless even the broadsheets are.
Fucking sphincter !

You have a lovely way with words!