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Juan Mata (Merged)
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Re: Juan Mata is a must
Why not? Mata is likley to fit better and quicker than Sanchez. He is a pass and move player, and a better passer of the ball. Those types of players tend to gel quicker.K7S LFC said:Tbh, I don't think he can fit into the system.. especially if the great Sanchez signs.
Re: Juan Mata is a must
I already complained about the meanies on the "we are being poached thread." At the least, I have to appear to be nice for a few posts :D<br /><br />-- Wed Jun 15, 2011 8:02 am --<br /><br />Ha! Just saw your earlier response. Meanie!!! :Pjjeangi said:Dax, you actually asked why not...You're waaaay nicer than I am. :D
Re: Juan Mata is a must
For one, Mata needs to play behind the striker.
So if we have:
---------De Jong-----------Yaya------------
Silva---------------Tevez--------------Mata
---------------Mario/Dzeko-------------------
Both Silva and Mata will naturall come in, and our play with be very direct and central. No width at all unless kolarov and richards come through. This will not work because:
a.) how passing is not as good as Barca's
b.) we play on defence and pushing both Fullback's forward will not do us favours.
Dax777 said:Why not? Mata is likley to fit better and quicker than Sanchez. He is a pass and move player, and a better passer of the ball. Those types of players tend to gel quicker.K7S LFC said:Tbh, I don't think he can fit into the system.. especially if the great Sanchez signs.
For one, Mata needs to play behind the striker.
So if we have:
---------De Jong-----------Yaya------------
Silva---------------Tevez--------------Mata
---------------Mario/Dzeko-------------------
Both Silva and Mata will naturall come in, and our play with be very direct and central. No width at all unless kolarov and richards come through. This will not work because:
a.) how passing is not as good as Barca's
b.) we play on defence and pushing both Fullback's forward will not do us favours.
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Re: Juan Mata is a must
i even approved the post:)
jjeangi said:Dax, you actually asked why not...You're waaaay nicer than I am. :D
i even approved the post:)
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Re: Juan Mata is a must
that looks abit tasty bud!!! hopefully carlos will still be the striker then jesus watch us go!!20sbc07 said:I think we'll bring in Sanchez and Mata, play them both along with silva and a striker.
______Yaya____Nige___
Sanchez___Silva___Mata
_________Striker______
Re: Juan Mata is a must
Thus, you are wrong to assume Mata "needs" to play behind the striker, he doesn't. He can play there, but can also play anywhere else in the attacking areas.
As for width- Our coach is Mancini, and like many continental coaches, and even English coach's for that matter (width is provided by the fullbacks) not the Attacking midfielders. Sure they would provide width sporadically, but the consistent production from the flanks should come from overlapping fullbacks. That is how 4231 is mean't to work. The whole point of having 2 DMs is to afford enough cover for overlapping fullbacks. Besides our ability to possess the ball intelligently will be doubled with Mata, and thus fewer breakaway's by the opposition will occur.
In reality Mata is more likely to be a far superior addition to our sqaud than Sanchez (at least in the 1st year or 2). However if Sanchez reaches his expected potential, he has the capacity to become a top 3 individual force in the mold of a Cristiano, Robben or Ribery. Someone that is just individually unstoppable. But as for team play, he is far less likely to give us half what the likes of Mata will in their 1st year. And if he doesn't reach his full potential (which is a possible outcome) then Mata would be the better addition regardless of time.
Sanchez will be potentially great for us eventually. Mata will almost certainly be Suarez good for us immediately.
K75, I think you have the philosophy and likely starts all wrong. If we get Mata and Tevez is still around, Tevez will start as the Striker, not Dzeko/Balo. More likely than not considering Mancini's love for Balo, I wouldn't be suprised to see him starting on the right (where you have Silva) and SIlva where you have Tevez. And you are correct, Mata would probably Start left, but I can see him and SIlva interchanging roles seamlessly. They used to do that back at Valencia.K7S LFC said:Dax777 said:Why not? Mata is likley to fit better and quicker than Sanchez. He is a pass and move player, and a better passer of the ball. Those types of players tend to gel quicker.K7S LFC said:Tbh, I don't think he can fit into the system.. especially if the great Sanchez signs.
For one, Mata needs to play behind the striker.
So if we have:
---------De Jong-----------Yaya------------
Silva---------------Tevez--------------Mata
---------------Mario/Dzeko-------------------
Both Silva and Mata will naturall come in, and our play with be very direct and central. No width at all unless kolarov and richards come through. This will not work because:
a.) how passing is not as good as Barca's
b.) we play on defence and pushing both Fullback's forward will not do us favours.
Thus, you are wrong to assume Mata "needs" to play behind the striker, he doesn't. He can play there, but can also play anywhere else in the attacking areas.
As for width- Our coach is Mancini, and like many continental coaches, and even English coach's for that matter (width is provided by the fullbacks) not the Attacking midfielders. Sure they would provide width sporadically, but the consistent production from the flanks should come from overlapping fullbacks. That is how 4231 is mean't to work. The whole point of having 2 DMs is to afford enough cover for overlapping fullbacks. Besides our ability to possess the ball intelligently will be doubled with Mata, and thus fewer breakaway's by the opposition will occur.
In reality Mata is more likely to be a far superior addition to our sqaud than Sanchez (at least in the 1st year or 2). However if Sanchez reaches his expected potential, he has the capacity to become a top 3 individual force in the mold of a Cristiano, Robben or Ribery. Someone that is just individually unstoppable. But as for team play, he is far less likely to give us half what the likes of Mata will in their 1st year. And if he doesn't reach his full potential (which is a possible outcome) then Mata would be the better addition regardless of time.
Sanchez will be potentially great for us eventually. Mata will almost certainly be Suarez good for us immediately.
Re: Juan Mata is a must
Its funny how quite a few are now considering Mata after the under 21 tournament. I have been banging on about him on here for quite some time. He is the best pound for pound signing we could make. He is one of the least risky signings we could make. Even if we land Sanchez we should still go for him and now with Weiss wanting to go to Spain we have the added bonus of a make weight and less of a net spend.
Another great addition would be Javi Martinez as he could play DMF or a deep lying playmaker. If we got him there would be no need for a backup for De Jong, No need to renew Vierra's contract and even sell Barry and MJ as we would have Yaya Milner De Jong and Martinez. That would be a big saving on the wages (3 out 1 in).
If we get Sanchez and we needed to we could recoup some of the money by selling AJ and use Milner on the wing (not his best position granted). I think the Financial model going forward will be one similar to Barca with a small versatile squad with young prospects making up the numbers.
Its funny how quite a few are now considering Mata after the under 21 tournament. I have been banging on about him on here for quite some time. He is the best pound for pound signing we could make. He is one of the least risky signings we could make. Even if we land Sanchez we should still go for him and now with Weiss wanting to go to Spain we have the added bonus of a make weight and less of a net spend.
Another great addition would be Javi Martinez as he could play DMF or a deep lying playmaker. If we got him there would be no need for a backup for De Jong, No need to renew Vierra's contract and even sell Barry and MJ as we would have Yaya Milner De Jong and Martinez. That would be a big saving on the wages (3 out 1 in).
If we get Sanchez and we needed to we could recoup some of the money by selling AJ and use Milner on the wing (not his best position granted). I think the Financial model going forward will be one similar to Barca with a small versatile squad with young prospects making up the numbers.
Re: Juan Mata is a must
Back in january one of the clues Tolmie gave was "silver bells" which many thought meant Silva was phoning someone. Most people jumped to the conclusion it was Villa or Torres, what if it was Mata?
I'm thinking we may have tried to sign him in january but he wouldn't move mid season.
Complete guess but could be possible.
Back in january one of the clues Tolmie gave was "silver bells" which many thought meant Silva was phoning someone. Most people jumped to the conclusion it was Villa or Torres, what if it was Mata?
I'm thinking we may have tried to sign him in january but he wouldn't move mid season.
Complete guess but could be possible.
Re: Juan Mata is a must
Would tae Pastore and Modric over him, but sure I'd take him or Santi Carzola over Sanchez in the short run.Mad 4 It said:Its funny how quite a few are now considering Mata after the under 21 tournament. I have been banging on about him on here for quite some time. He is the best pound for pound signing we could make. He is one of the least risky signings we could make. Even if we land Sanchez we should still go for him and now with Weiss wanting to go to Spain we have the added bonus of a make weight and less of a net spend.
I see your reasoning,b ut I don't think it is practical. Martinez is a starter and you'd have to Sell Yaya or De Jong to bring him in.Personally, seeing as our forward line is all short, I wouln't mind selling De Jong and letting Martinex and Yaya run the CM as a ball passing team. But I know that would cause a stinker with fans, so No to Martinez for me.Another great addition would be Javi Martinez as he could play DMF or a deep lying playmaker. If we got him there would be no need for a backup for De Jong, No need to renew Vierra's contract and even sell Barry and MJ as we would have Yaya Milner De Jong and Martinez. That would be a big saving on the wages (3 out 1 in).
I don't see why we should force an AJ sale, granted if someone offers 25 million we will be imprudent not to consider it, but no need selling off a good sub on the cheap. Which would be what happens if people think we want to sell AJ by all means.<br /><br />-- Wed Jun 15, 2011 10:48 am --<br /><br />If we get Sanchez and we needed to we could recoup some of the money by selling AJ and use Milner on the wing (not his best position granted). I think the Financial model going forward will be one similar to Barca with a small versatile squad with young prospects making up the numbers.
Sometimes, Tolmie's clues are just what they seem like, pointless ruse!20sbc07 said:Back in january one of the clues Tolmie gave was "silver bells" which many thought meant Silva was phoning someone. Most people jumped to the conclusion it was Villa or Torres, what if it was Mata?
I'm thinking we may have tried to sign him in january but he wouldn't move mid season.
Complete guess but could be possible.
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Re: Juan Mata is a must
Exactly why I think a player like Sanchez is a better fit for us. As good a player as Mata is i would prefer to see some pace and someone who can beat a man in the team to give us a different option.Dax777 said:Why not? Mata is likley to fit better and quicker than Sanchez. He is a pass and move player, and a better passer of the ball. Those types of players tend to gel quicker.K7S LFC said:Tbh, I don't think he can fit into the system.. especially if the great Sanchez signs.
Re: Juan Mata is a must
Which is what everyone who has been going on about him seems to think he is. He is just an inferior Silva and as much as it would be nice to sign him we have other positions to be strengthened.
Andouble said:watching U21 now. Thought he was more of a wideman but he's basically playing centre forward at the moment
Which is what everyone who has been going on about him seems to think he is. He is just an inferior Silva and as much as it would be nice to sign him we have other positions to be strengthened.
Juan Mata is a must
Don't you think him and silva could strike up a xavi & iniesta partnership?
There is room for mats and Sanchez in my opinion.
Sabster said:Andouble said:watching U21 now. Thought he was more of a wideman but he's basically playing centre forward at the moment
Which is what everyone who has been going on about him seems to think he is. He is just an inferior Silva and as much as it would be nice to sign him we have other positions to be strengthened.
Don't you think him and silva could strike up a xavi & iniesta partnership?
There is room for mats and Sanchez in my opinion.