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richards30
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Re: Juan Mata is a must
would aj settle for that though mate??? how can he develop more if he doesnt play as much? same with dzeko? he cant adjust properly playing 5 mins every now and then!!!Mad 4 It said:richards30 said:i think nasri and mata would be possible mate??? just worry what it would mean for aj in the long run!!!Dribble said:We need both Mata AND Nasri! And I wouldnt mind Sneijder or Modric on top of that! We'd be like a Mancunian Barca or am I being greedy?
Impact Sub! Which is about right at this stage of his development
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Re: Juan Mata is a must
I cannot believe some of the shit I read on this forum.
Buying Nasri, Modric, Mata and Snider(sp), about 110m of transfer fees and each on about 150k - 200k a week... Oh year what about Dejong, Barry, Milner, AJ, Silva... Schools broke up or something?
I cannot believe some of the shit I read on this forum.
Buying Nasri, Modric, Mata and Snider(sp), about 110m of transfer fees and each on about 150k - 200k a week... Oh year what about Dejong, Barry, Milner, AJ, Silva... Schools broke up or something?
Re: Juan Mata is a must
I dont know, perhaps training with better players will help his game, also proper competition for his place will help as I dont see SWP or Milner (not a winger) pushing him for that role. Some players e.g. Ole Gunnar Solskjaer were impact subs and were happy with that. Mancini in my opinion has called this 100% correct and was right when he made his comments about the player in the first half of last season. Unfortunately its an attitude/mind set thing as well as skill and ability. He could be a fanatastic player but thats up to him<br /><br />-- Mon Jul 04, 2011 7:41 am --<br /><br />
So it's ok for Real, Barca etc to have squads with quality running right through it but not us! Did I miss something around end of January the whole of March and the first week of April when we were poor due to injuries to De Jong, Silva and AJ! We need cover for Silva or a playmaker for the middle and a rightsided attacking midfielder so 2 from the above is acceptable and definetly needed but I agree 4 is too much.
richards30 said:would aj settle for that though mate??? how can he develop more if he doesnt play as much? same with dzeko? he cant adjust properly playing 5 mins every now and then!!!Mad 4 It said:richards30 said:i think nasri and mata would be possible mate??? just worry what it would mean for aj in the long run!!!
Impact Sub! Which is about right at this stage of his development
I dont know, perhaps training with better players will help his game, also proper competition for his place will help as I dont see SWP or Milner (not a winger) pushing him for that role. Some players e.g. Ole Gunnar Solskjaer were impact subs and were happy with that. Mancini in my opinion has called this 100% correct and was right when he made his comments about the player in the first half of last season. Unfortunately its an attitude/mind set thing as well as skill and ability. He could be a fanatastic player but thats up to him<br /><br />-- Mon Jul 04, 2011 7:41 am --<br /><br />
lmjones1uk said:I cannot believe some of the shit I read on this forum.
Buying Nasri, Modric, Mata and Snider(sp), about 110m of transfer fees and each on about 150k - 200k a week... Oh year what about Dejong, Barry, Milner, AJ, Silva... Schools broke up or something?
So it's ok for Real, Barca etc to have squads with quality running right through it but not us! Did I miss something around end of January the whole of March and the first week of April when we were poor due to injuries to De Jong, Silva and AJ! We need cover for Silva or a playmaker for the middle and a rightsided attacking midfielder so 2 from the above is acceptable and definetly needed but I agree 4 is too much.
Dribble
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Re: Juan Mata is a must
We need to strengthen our gene pool of 1st team and EDS players and there's no better way to achieve this than by getting rid of the dross and replacing them with world-class players like Mata, Nasri, Sneijder, Modric, Sanchez etc. Get them in first and then let them fight it out amongst themselves to reign supreme.
With this Junior Champions League competition (or whatever its called) coming on stream in the coming season, getting & bringing through likes of Niang (if we can get him) and others like him will increase the quality of our EDS gene pool which will be further increased in quality by them having to play against the best youngsters in Europe and possibly forming the basis of our League Cup team.
We're moving in the right direction and if what I'm hearing from the club begins to bear fruit, we'll become a formidable force to be reckoned with in the not too distant future.
Just imagine:
Hart
Richards - Kompany - Lescott - Clichy
NDJ - Yaya
Mata - Silva - Nasri
Tevez
We are just 3 very attainable players off that line-up and if we were to get one of Sneijder, Modric, Sanchez could you imagine the strength of our bench and the strength of any team we could put out in any competition? :-)
-- Mon Jul 04, 2011 7:49 am --
It's tough at the top mate and if AJ's good enough, he'll make it. We've got the Premiership, Champions League, FA Cup, League Cup & Internationals too. Add injuries, suspensions, loss of form & players needing a rest, I reckon the likes of AJ, Milner, Barry, Lescott, Kolarov, Dzeko et al will get more than enough deserved playing time. If they want to be considered first choice players, the opportunities will present themselves for all players to stake a claim which will only benefit the team more. The ball's in their collective court and it's up to them to take advantage of their opportunities.richards30 said:would aj settle for that though mate??? how can he develop more if he doesnt play as much? same with dzeko? he cant adjust properly playing 5 mins every now and then!!!Mad 4 It said:richards30 said:i think nasri and mata would be possible mate??? just worry what it would mean for aj in the long run!!!
Impact Sub! Which is about right at this stage of his development
We need to strengthen our gene pool of 1st team and EDS players and there's no better way to achieve this than by getting rid of the dross and replacing them with world-class players like Mata, Nasri, Sneijder, Modric, Sanchez etc. Get them in first and then let them fight it out amongst themselves to reign supreme.
With this Junior Champions League competition (or whatever its called) coming on stream in the coming season, getting & bringing through likes of Niang (if we can get him) and others like him will increase the quality of our EDS gene pool which will be further increased in quality by them having to play against the best youngsters in Europe and possibly forming the basis of our League Cup team.
We're moving in the right direction and if what I'm hearing from the club begins to bear fruit, we'll become a formidable force to be reckoned with in the not too distant future.
Just imagine:
Hart
Richards - Kompany - Lescott - Clichy
NDJ - Yaya
Mata - Silva - Nasri
Tevez
We are just 3 very attainable players off that line-up and if we were to get one of Sneijder, Modric, Sanchez could you imagine the strength of our bench and the strength of any team we could put out in any competition? :-)
-- Mon Jul 04, 2011 7:49 am --
Is it day release from your psychiatric unit today? Don't forget to take your tablets too, we wouldn't want you to start licking your monitor screen.............. AGAIN!!! :-)lmjones1uk said:I cannot believe some of the shit I read on this forum.
Buying Nasri, Modric, Mata and Snider(sp), about 110m of transfer fees and each on about 150k - 200k a week... Oh year what about Dejong, Barry, Milner, AJ, Silva... Schools broke up or something?
BusterPhillips
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Re: Juan Mata is a must
Put the joystick down fella, this ain't FIFA.
Nasri & Cerci are the players that will compete with AJ and offer cover for Silva. As for DeJong none of them players you mentioned play the same roll as Dejong, cover for DeJong can be taken from within our own squad already.
We can't buy everyone.
Mad 4 It said:richards30 said:would aj settle for that though mate??? how can he develop more if he doesnt play as much? same with dzeko? he cant adjust properly playing 5 mins every now and then!!!Mad 4 It said:Impact Sub! Which is about right at this stage of his development
I dont know, perhaps training with better players will help his game, also proper competition for his place will help as I dont see SWP or Milner (not a winger) pushing him for that role. Some players e.g. Ole Gunnar Solskjaer were impact subs and were happy with that. Mancini in my opinion has called this 100% correct and was right when he made his comments about the player in the first half of last season. Unfortunately its an attitude/mind set thing as well as skill and ability. He could be a fanatastic player but thats up to him
-- Mon Jul 04, 2011 7:41 am --
lmjones1uk said:I cannot believe some of the shit I read on this forum.
Buying Nasri, Modric, Mata and Snider(sp), about 110m of transfer fees and each on about 150k - 200k a week... Oh year what about Dejong, Barry, Milner, AJ, Silva... Schools broke up or something?
So it's ok for Real, Barca etc to have squads with quality running right through it but not us! Did I miss something around end of January the whole of March and the first week of April when we were poor due to injuries to De Jong, Silva and AJ! We need cover for Silva or a playmaker for the middle and a rightsided attacking midfielder so 2 from the above is acceptable and definetly needed but I agree 4 is too much.
Put the joystick down fella, this ain't FIFA.
Nasri & Cerci are the players that will compete with AJ and offer cover for Silva. As for DeJong none of them players you mentioned play the same roll as Dejong, cover for DeJong can be taken from within our own squad already.
We can't buy everyone.
Re: Juan Mata is a must
Modric will go to Chelsea or rags. Snijder is going no where he's inters bet player and wants over 200k a week anyway. Both the player and club have confirmed this.
Nasri is in play and a possibility but by no means certain.
Mata is wanted by arsenal as nasri / fabragas replacement. Liverpool also want him. He could be an option for us as well depending on nasri and or other targets, we haven't been linked with him really thus far though.
Modric will go to Chelsea or rags. Snijder is going no where he's inters bet player and wants over 200k a week anyway. Both the player and club have confirmed this.
Nasri is in play and a possibility but by no means certain.
Mata is wanted by arsenal as nasri / fabragas replacement. Liverpool also want him. He could be an option for us as well depending on nasri and or other targets, we haven't been linked with him really thus far though.
Dribble
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Give it a rest fella, we bought 6 top-class players last season, we have a load of dross to get rid of (possibly 12 players), so what do suggest we do:
A. Keep the dross?
B. Replace dross for dross?
C. Use our considerable wealth & replace the dross with world class players?
You sound like you're still hankering for the days Conlon, Frontzek, Morrison, Corradi et al!!
If anyone sounds like a child on here, it's you the 'Internet Warlord Supreme'lmjones1uk said:Mad 4 It said:richards30 said:would aj settle for that though mate??? how can he develop more if he doesnt play as much? same with dzeko? he cant adjust properly playing 5 mins every now and then!!!
I dont know, perhaps training with better players will help his game, also proper competition for his place will help as I dont see SWP or Milner (not a winger) pushing him for that role. Some players e.g. Ole Gunnar Solskjaer were impact subs and were happy with that. Mancini in my opinion has called this 100% correct and was right when he made his comments about the player in the first half of last season. Unfortunately its an attitude/mind set thing as well as skill and ability. He could be a fanatastic player but thats up to him
-- Mon Jul 04, 2011 7:41 am --
lmjones1uk said:I cannot believe some of the shit I read on this forum.
Buying Nasri, Modric, Mata and Snider(sp), about 110m of transfer fees and each on about 150k - 200k a week... Oh year what about Dejong, Barry, Milner, AJ, Silva... Schools broke up or something?
So it's ok for Real, Barca etc to have squads with quality running right through it but not us! Did I miss something around end of January the whole of March and the first week of April when we were poor due to injuries to De Jong, Silva and AJ! We need cover for Silva or a playmaker for the middle and a rightsided attacking midfielder so 2 from the above is acceptable and definetly needed but I agree 4 is too much.
Put the joystick down fella, this ain't FIFA.
Nasri & Cerci are the players that will compete with AJ and offer cover for Silva. As for DeJong none of them players you mentioned play the same roll as Dejong, cover for DeJong can be taken from within our own squad already.
We can't buy everyone.
Give it a rest fella, we bought 6 top-class players last season, we have a load of dross to get rid of (possibly 12 players), so what do suggest we do:
A. Keep the dross?
B. Replace dross for dross?
C. Use our considerable wealth & replace the dross with world class players?
You sound like you're still hankering for the days Conlon, Frontzek, Morrison, Corradi et al!!
richards30
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Re: Juan Mata is a must
i know mate it is breathtaking how far we have come in 2 years!! i think thats what alot of us want now is just 2-3 more solid top class signings at the right age and we are set for years to come and to grow together as a team and a force across europe as well as at home.Dribble said:It's tough at the top mate and if AJ's good enough, he'll make it. We've got the Premiership, Champions League, FA Cup, League Cup & Internationals too. Add injuries, suspensions, loss of form & players needing a rest, I reckon the likes of AJ, Milner, Barry, Lescott, Kolarov, Dzeko et al will get more than enough deserved playing time. If they want to be considered first choice players, the opportunities will present themselves for all players to stake a claim which will only benefit the team more. The ball's in their collective court and it's up to them to take advantage of their opportunities.richards30 said:would aj settle for that though mate??? how can he develop more if he doesnt play as much? same with dzeko? he cant adjust properly playing 5 mins every now and then!!!Mad 4 It said:Impact Sub! Which is about right at this stage of his development
We need to strengthen our gene pool of 1st team and EDS players and there's no better way to achieve this than by getting rid of the dross and replacing them with world-class players like Mata, Nasri, Sneijder, Modric, Sanchez etc. Get them in first and then let them fight it out amongst themselves to reign supreme.
With this Junior Champions League competition (or whatever its called) coming on stream in the coming season, getting & bringing through likes of Niang (if we can get him) and others like him will increase the quality of our EDS gene pool which will be further increased in quality by them having to play against the best youngsters in Europe and possibly forming the basis of our League Cup team.
We're moving in the right direction and if what I'm hearing from the club begins to bear fruit, we'll become a formidable force to be reckoned with in the not too distant future.
Just imagine:
Hart
Richards - Kompany - Lescott - Clichy
NDJ - Yaya
Mata - Silva - Nasri
Tevez
We are just 3 very attainable players off that line-up and if we were to get one of Sneijder, Modric, Sanchez could you imagine the strength of our bench and the strength of any team we could put out in any competition? :-)
-- Mon Jul 04, 2011 7:49 am --
Is it day release from your psychiatric unit today? Don't forget to take your tablets too, we wouldn't want you to start licking your monitor screen.............. AGAIN!!! :-)lmjones1uk said:I cannot believe some of the shit I read on this forum.
Buying Nasri, Modric, Mata and Snider(sp), about 110m of transfer fees and each on about 150k - 200k a week... Oh year what about Dejong, Barry, Milner, AJ, Silva... Schools broke up or something?
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Re: Juan Mata is a must
Well, dribble has the right user name because he's talking it. Have you never heard of FFPR? Also, have you not bothered to count our squad numbers?
Why would we buy 4 attacking midfielders, to add to what we already have, for £110m and at least £600k/week in wages. Add to that they are all going to want to play 1st team.
We are probably going to get a cheap squad player (Cerci), a (cheapish) first teamer (Nasri) and we may/should be looking at a striker/inside forward who can play across the front three to add to Balo & Tevez (Dzeko is only ever going to be a front man not an inside forward). This lot will be about £27m (+ a striker) - wages probably £270k/week (+striker wages).
Fwds - Dzeko, Tevez, Balo, ANother - 3 of which can play anywhere in the 3 AM positions (I assume).
4 AMs - Cerci, Nasri, Silva, AJ
In total 7 players for 3 positions (or 8 for 4 if you include CF as Dzeko), any more is ridiculous. We've even got Milner who can fill in for an emergency in the AM 3 positions if needed.
I must admit I'd like to see Mata here if we weren't to sign a CF/AM player.....
Well, dribble has the right user name because he's talking it. Have you never heard of FFPR? Also, have you not bothered to count our squad numbers?
Why would we buy 4 attacking midfielders, to add to what we already have, for £110m and at least £600k/week in wages. Add to that they are all going to want to play 1st team.
We are probably going to get a cheap squad player (Cerci), a (cheapish) first teamer (Nasri) and we may/should be looking at a striker/inside forward who can play across the front three to add to Balo & Tevez (Dzeko is only ever going to be a front man not an inside forward). This lot will be about £27m (+ a striker) - wages probably £270k/week (+striker wages).
Fwds - Dzeko, Tevez, Balo, ANother - 3 of which can play anywhere in the 3 AM positions (I assume).
4 AMs - Cerci, Nasri, Silva, AJ
In total 7 players for 3 positions (or 8 for 4 if you include CF as Dzeko), any more is ridiculous. We've even got Milner who can fill in for an emergency in the AM 3 positions if needed.
I must admit I'd like to see Mata here if we weren't to sign a CF/AM player.....
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Re: Juan Mata is a must
@Dribble
Seems to me the consensus of the other posters think you are talking Drivel!
I'll entertain your argument though.
Can you list:
The players you would sell
The players you would buy
I'm interested in seeing this!
Also Andy Morrison is a cult hero, can't believe you are associating his name with Corradi! Are you one of these 'new' City fans?!
@Dribble
Seems to me the consensus of the other posters think you are talking Drivel!
I'll entertain your argument though.
Can you list:
The players you would sell
The players you would buy
I'm interested in seeing this!
Also Andy Morrison is a cult hero, can't believe you are associating his name with Corradi! Are you one of these 'new' City fans?!
Dribble
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Sell (Including those who've already gone):
Logan
Vidal
SWP
Onuoha
Bridge
Bellamy
Caicedo
Santa Cruz
Jo
Adebayor
Given
Possible Departures
Boateng
Weiss (loan)
Michael Johnson (Loan)
Buy:
Clichy
Mata
Nasri
Aguero
1 from Sneijder/Modric
If Boateng goes Savic
Now considering that most of these players may be available and considering the income and wage saving of the departures, I'm sure the above doesn't look to bad to us ambitious types and is certainly attainable.
We've got the Premiership, Champions League, FA Cup, League Cup & Internationals to deal with. With injuries, suspensions, loss of form & players needing a rest, we need a quality squad if we are to compete on four fronts next season which is an ambition befitting of the so called 'world's richest football club'... or have you forgotten what happened to us squad-wise in February, March, April and May 2011?
The 'consensus' you talk of amounts to about 3 posters including yourself! You talk about school kids posting on here or Johnny come lately's which I find amusing seeing as I've been supporting Manchester City since I was 7 years old & the next milestone in my life is retirement!!
As I stated, we need to improve the quality of our squad's gene pool and what I'm suggesting is evolution not a revolution, now hopefully you can get your head around that................. after you've finished licking your screen monitor! Again!
PS: Don't forget to take your medication, it sounds like it's beginning to wear off!! :-)
Andy Morrison was great for us when we were in Division 1, but I suppose you're the type who'd allow sentiment to get in the way of progress because it'll give you a warm familiar glow inside. OK here goes:lmjones1uk said:@Dribble
Seems to me the consensus of the other posters think you are talking Drivel!
I'll entertain your argument though.
Can you list:
The players you would sell
The players you would buy
I'm interested in seeing this!
Also Andy Morrison is a cult hero, can't believe you are associating his name with Corradi! Are you one of these 'new' City fans?!
Sell (Including those who've already gone):
Logan
Vidal
SWP
Onuoha
Bridge
Bellamy
Caicedo
Santa Cruz
Jo
Adebayor
Given
Possible Departures
Boateng
Weiss (loan)
Michael Johnson (Loan)
Buy:
Clichy
Mata
Nasri
Aguero
1 from Sneijder/Modric
If Boateng goes Savic
Now considering that most of these players may be available and considering the income and wage saving of the departures, I'm sure the above doesn't look to bad to us ambitious types and is certainly attainable.
We've got the Premiership, Champions League, FA Cup, League Cup & Internationals to deal with. With injuries, suspensions, loss of form & players needing a rest, we need a quality squad if we are to compete on four fronts next season which is an ambition befitting of the so called 'world's richest football club'... or have you forgotten what happened to us squad-wise in February, March, April and May 2011?
The 'consensus' you talk of amounts to about 3 posters including yourself! You talk about school kids posting on here or Johnny come lately's which I find amusing seeing as I've been supporting Manchester City since I was 7 years old & the next milestone in my life is retirement!!
As I stated, we need to improve the quality of our squad's gene pool and what I'm suggesting is evolution not a revolution, now hopefully you can get your head around that................. after you've finished licking your screen monitor! Again!
PS: Don't forget to take your medication, it sounds like it's beginning to wear off!! :-)
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Re: Juan Mata is a must
I wouldn't argue with the departures list but you now have a problem of too many first teamers spending most of the time on the bench and whether it's healthy having 27-40m players sitting on the bench, economically and with regards to players development.
Dejong, Yaya, Silva, AJ, Barry, Nasri, mata, modric / Snieder(sp), Milner all need to fit into midfield but someones gonna miss out.
Tevez, Balotelli, Dzeko, Augero need to fit into attack - if we are playing with a front three then you can include Nasri, Silva and AJ into that list also.
Remember this team won us the FA cup and came joint second, they need a preseason and a couple of squad tweaks not half a dozen super star players.
I hope that you are not fickle enough to dump Dzeko after half a season and would give him the benefit of another season to develop.
If we get Nasri we dont need either of those other players, bare in mind also that Yaya (one of the best players in the league last year) would be relegated from an attacking position to accommodate mata etc , therefore making him less effecting and taking a gamble on someone who has never played in the Prem.
Also, if you are as old as you say you are curb the childish insults.
Finally your point re: Morrison is moot. He is a cult hero for what he did for us, it has nothing to do where we are now and the quality of players we have now.
Dribble said:Andy Morrison was great for us when we were in Division 1, but I suppose you're the type who'd allow sentiment to get in the way of progress because it'll give you a warm familiar glow inside. OK here goes:lmjones1uk said:@Dribble
Seems to me the consensus of the other posters think you are talking Drivel!
I'll entertain your argument though.
Can you list:
The players you would sell
The players you would buy
I'm interested in seeing this!
Also Andy Morrison is a cult hero, can't believe you are associating his name with Corradi! Are you one of these 'new' City fans?!
Sell (Including those who've already gone):
Logan
Vidal
SWP
Onuoha
Bridge
Bellamy
Caicedo
Santa Cruz
Jo
Adebayor
Given
Possible Departures
Boateng
Weiss (loan)
Michael Johnson (Loan)
Buy:
Clichy
Mata
Nasri
Aguero
1 from Sneijder/Modric
If Boateng goes Savic
Now considering that most of these players may be available and considering the income and wage saving of the departures, I'm sure the above doesn't look to bad to us ambitious types and is certainly attainable.
We've got the Premiership, Champions League, FA Cup, League Cup & Internationals to deal with. With injuries, suspensions, loss of form & players needing a rest, we need a quality squad if we are to compete on four fronts next season which is an ambition befitting of the so called 'world's richest football club'... or have you forgotten what happened to us squad-wise in February, March, April and May 2011?
The 'consensus' you talk of amounts to about 3 posters including yourself! You talk about school kids posting on here or Johnny come lately's which I find amusing seeing as I've been supporting Manchester City since I was 7 years old & the next milestone in my life is retirement!!
As I stated, we need to improve the quality of our squad's gene pool and what I'm suggesting is evolution not a revolution, now hopefully you can get your head around that................. after you've finished licking your screen monitor! Again!
PS: Don't forget to take your medication, it sounds like it's beginning to wear off!! :-)
I wouldn't argue with the departures list but you now have a problem of too many first teamers spending most of the time on the bench and whether it's healthy having 27-40m players sitting on the bench, economically and with regards to players development.
Dejong, Yaya, Silva, AJ, Barry, Nasri, mata, modric / Snieder(sp), Milner all need to fit into midfield but someones gonna miss out.
Tevez, Balotelli, Dzeko, Augero need to fit into attack - if we are playing with a front three then you can include Nasri, Silva and AJ into that list also.
Remember this team won us the FA cup and came joint second, they need a preseason and a couple of squad tweaks not half a dozen super star players.
I hope that you are not fickle enough to dump Dzeko after half a season and would give him the benefit of another season to develop.
If we get Nasri we dont need either of those other players, bare in mind also that Yaya (one of the best players in the league last year) would be relegated from an attacking position to accommodate mata etc , therefore making him less effecting and taking a gamble on someone who has never played in the Prem.
Also, if you are as old as you say you are curb the childish insults.
Finally your point re: Morrison is moot. He is a cult hero for what he did for us, it has nothing to do where we are now and the quality of players we have now.
Dribble
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Before you call anyone childish, remember what you typed at 10:56 this morning in response to a post from Mad 4 it and richards30:
I am quite happy to deal with you any way you want fella! We were having a respectful debate before you waded in & started throwing unnecessary insults. If you have a point to make, make it and pack it the fuck in with the 'childish' insults!!!!
Now I've got that out of the way, I shall address your points:
As I said, we will hopefully be fighting on all four fronts next season and taking this into account ESPECIALLY if we can rid ourselves of the deadwood as outlined in my post, I honestly believe if anything we'll be cutting it very fine squad numbers wise!!
The whole point of someone missing out is the reason why every top side has a high quality squad AND uses it; it's called squad rotation which was something we couldn't do effectively enough when we needed it between February-May. What wouldn't we have given to have had even 3 of those players from my 'Buy' list then?
I am well aware that only 11 players can take to the field at any one time with 3 players coming on as substitutes. So what happens next season if we find ourselves having to play 15 games in 45 days as we did earlier this year and we haven't got world-class replacements to fall back on? It's not the 1st 11 that's the issue, the issue is what we have in reserve.
As Mancio said 'Man Utd can play one team in the Champions League against Shalke on a Wednesday and play a completely different team the following Sunday for the Championship decider against Chelsea which is something that as it stands, we can only dream of.'
Who said anything about dumping Dzeko? Certainly not me as I believe he will come good with a good pre-season behind him especially after getting over the initial shock of what is the Barclays Premier League....
In my mind Yaya is much much more than an attacking midfielder or defensive midfielder. It was 5-6 years ago that I first saw Yaya in a pre-season friendly at CoMS when we played Olympiakos. I recall seeing this majestic figure who stood head & shoulders above everybody else in height and in performance levels.
I recall rushing home after the match & checking up on him and being shocked to find that Olympiakos had just paid Beveren of Belgium £1m for him!! I also recall praying that Pearce had seen what I & all the others around me had seen that day & would double what Olympiakos paid for him & immediately bring him to City, but alas all we got was Dickov on a free!!
Yaya is a box to box player and is intelligent enough to know when to attack and when to stay put. Yaya playing in the advanced position he did last season showed the lack of quality that Mancini had to fall back on, hence the need for more creative players so we can play a more expansive brand of football this season with strength in depth.
Which top four premiership team can you recall straining themselves to bid for Morrison? Yes he was a legend for us when we were down and on our way back, but a team of our potential should have never been in Divisions one & two in the first place!! Morrison was what we needed at that time in our history & I'll always respect him for that as I will Dickov for that legendary Wembley goal, but for me I'm afraid, that's as far as it goes. It pained me watching the scum doing the treble whilst we were relying on journeyman footballers to do our bidding for us.
That was then, this is now so hopefully it's onwards and upwards from hereon in.
lmjones1uk said:Dribble said:Andy Morrison was great for us when we were in Division 1, but I suppose you're the type who'd allow sentiment to get in the way of progress because it'll give you a warm familiar glow inside. OK here goes:lmjones1uk said:@Dribble
Seems to me the consensus of the other posters think you are talking Drivel!
I'll entertain your argument though.
Can you list:
The players you would sell
The players you would buy
I'm interested in seeing this!
Also Andy Morrison is a cult hero, can't believe you are associating his name with Corradi! Are you one of these 'new' City fans?!
Sell (Including those who've already gone):
Logan
Vidal
SWP
Onuoha
Bridge
Bellamy
Caicedo
Santa Cruz
Jo
Adebayor
Given
Possible Departures
Boateng
Weiss (loan)
Michael Johnson (Loan)
Buy:
Clichy
Mata
Nasri
Aguero
1 from Sneijder/Modric
If Boateng goes Savic
Now considering that most of these players may be available and considering the income and wage saving of the departures, I'm sure the above doesn't look to bad to us ambitious types and is certainly attainable.
We've got the Premiership, Champions League, FA Cup, League Cup & Internationals to deal with. With injuries, suspensions, loss of form & players needing a rest, we need a quality squad if we are to compete on four fronts next season which is an ambition befitting of the so called 'world's richest football club'... or have you forgotten what happened to us squad-wise in February, March, April and May 2011?
The 'consensus' you talk of amounts to about 3 posters including yourself! You talk about school kids posting on here or Johnny come lately's which I find amusing seeing as I've been supporting Manchester City since I was 7 years old & the next milestone in my life is retirement!!
As I stated, we need to improve the quality of our squad's gene pool and what I'm suggesting is evolution not a revolution, now hopefully you can get your head around that................. after you've finished licking your screen monitor! Again!
PS: Don't forget to take your medication, it sounds like it's beginning to wear off!! :-)
I wouldn't argue with the departures list but you now have a problem of too many first teamers spending most of the time on the bench and whether it's healthy having 27-40m players sitting on the bench, economically and with regards to players development.
Dejong, Yaya, Silva, AJ, Barry, Nasri, mata, modric / Snieder(sp), Milner all need to fit into midfield but someones gonna miss out.
Tevez, Balotelli, Dzeko, Augero need to fit into attack - if we are playing with a front three then you can include Nasri, Silva and AJ into that list also.
Remember this team won us the FA cup and came joint second, they need a preseason and a couple of squad tweaks not half a dozen super star players.
I hope that you are not fickle enough to dump Dzeko after half a season and would give him the benefit of another season to develop.
If we get Nasri we dont need either of those other players, bare in mind also that Yaya (one of the best players in the league last year) would be relegated from an attacking position to accommodate mata etc , therefore making him less effecting and taking a gamble on someone who has never played in the Prem.
Also, if you are as old as you say you are curb the childish insults.
Finally your point re: Morrison is moot. He is a cult hero for what he did for us, it has nothing to do where we are now and the quality of players we have now.
Before you call anyone childish, remember what you typed at 10:56 this morning in response to a post from Mad 4 it and richards30:
lmjones1uk said:I cannot believe some of the shit I read on this forum.
Buying Nasri, Modric, Mata and Snider(sp), about 110m of transfer fees and each on about 150k - 200k a week... Oh year what about Dejong, Barry, Milner, AJ, Silva... Schools broke up or something?
I am quite happy to deal with you any way you want fella! We were having a respectful debate before you waded in & started throwing unnecessary insults. If you have a point to make, make it and pack it the fuck in with the 'childish' insults!!!!
Now I've got that out of the way, I shall address your points:
lmjones1uk said:'I wouldn't argue with the departures list but you now have a problem of too many first teamers spending most of the time on the bench and whether it's healthy having 27-40m players sitting on the bench, economically and with regards to players development.
Dejong, Yaya, Silva, AJ, Barry, Nasri, mata, modric / Snieder(sp), Milner all need to fit into midfield but someones gonna miss out.'
As I said, we will hopefully be fighting on all four fronts next season and taking this into account ESPECIALLY if we can rid ourselves of the deadwood as outlined in my post, I honestly believe if anything we'll be cutting it very fine squad numbers wise!!
The whole point of someone missing out is the reason why every top side has a high quality squad AND uses it; it's called squad rotation which was something we couldn't do effectively enough when we needed it between February-May. What wouldn't we have given to have had even 3 of those players from my 'Buy' list then?
lmjones1uk said:Remember this team won us the FA cup and came joint second, they need a preseason and a couple of squad tweaks not half a dozen super star players.
I am well aware that only 11 players can take to the field at any one time with 3 players coming on as substitutes. So what happens next season if we find ourselves having to play 15 games in 45 days as we did earlier this year and we haven't got world-class replacements to fall back on? It's not the 1st 11 that's the issue, the issue is what we have in reserve.
As Mancio said 'Man Utd can play one team in the Champions League against Shalke on a Wednesday and play a completely different team the following Sunday for the Championship decider against Chelsea which is something that as it stands, we can only dream of.'
lmjones1uk said:I hope that you are not fickle enough to dump Dzeko after half a season and would give him the benefit of another season to develop.
Who said anything about dumping Dzeko? Certainly not me as I believe he will come good with a good pre-season behind him especially after getting over the initial shock of what is the Barclays Premier League....
lmjones1uk said:If we get Nasri we dont need either of those other players, bare in mind also that Yaya (one of the best players in the league last year) would be relegated from an attacking position to accommodate mata etc , therefore making him less effecting and taking a gamble on someone who has never played in the Prem.
In my mind Yaya is much much more than an attacking midfielder or defensive midfielder. It was 5-6 years ago that I first saw Yaya in a pre-season friendly at CoMS when we played Olympiakos. I recall seeing this majestic figure who stood head & shoulders above everybody else in height and in performance levels.
I recall rushing home after the match & checking up on him and being shocked to find that Olympiakos had just paid Beveren of Belgium £1m for him!! I also recall praying that Pearce had seen what I & all the others around me had seen that day & would double what Olympiakos paid for him & immediately bring him to City, but alas all we got was Dickov on a free!!
Yaya is a box to box player and is intelligent enough to know when to attack and when to stay put. Yaya playing in the advanced position he did last season showed the lack of quality that Mancini had to fall back on, hence the need for more creative players so we can play a more expansive brand of football this season with strength in depth.
lmjones1uk said:Finally your point re: Morrison is moot. He is a cult hero for what he did for us, it has nothing to do where we are now and the quality of players we have now.
Which top four premiership team can you recall straining themselves to bid for Morrison? Yes he was a legend for us when we were down and on our way back, but a team of our potential should have never been in Divisions one & two in the first place!! Morrison was what we needed at that time in our history & I'll always respect him for that as I will Dickov for that legendary Wembley goal, but for me I'm afraid, that's as far as it goes. It pained me watching the scum doing the treble whilst we were relying on journeyman footballers to do our bidding for us.
That was then, this is now so hopefully it's onwards and upwards from hereon in.
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Re: Juan Mata is a must
Wouldnt read to much into it mate... could be they just want to strengthen their squad. But I do greatly admire Mata, he'd be fantastic for our team
Wouldnt read to much into it mate... could be they just want to strengthen their squad. But I do greatly admire Mata, he'd be fantastic for our team
okstate99
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Re: Juan Mata is a must
Via Twitter
Apparently, Arsenal and Liverpool?
Nasri replacement?
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Graham Hunter
I've had it confirmed to me that more than one EPL club is negotiating to buy Juan Mata #JuanMata
Apparently, Arsenal and Liverpool?
Nasri replacement?
Re: Juan Mata is a must
if we get him, then it would make us stronger as he's more suited as a left winger than nasri for usokstate99 said:Via Twitter
Graham Hunter
I've had it confirmed to me that more than one EPL club is negotiating to buy Juan Mata #JuanMata
Apparently, Arsenal and Liverpool?
Nasri replacement?
Re: Juan Mata is a must
For me, Arsenal's problem is their poor defence, lack of leaders & average GK's (all the young kid is a good prospect).
gooneyrovski said:if we get him, then it would make us stronger as he's more suited as a left winger than nasri for usokstate99 said:Via Twitter
Graham Hunter
I've had it confirmed to me that more than one EPL club is negotiating to buy Juan Mata #JuanMata
Apparently, Arsenal and Liverpool?
Nasri replacement?
For me, Arsenal's problem is their poor defence, lack of leaders & average GK's (all the young kid is a good prospect).
Re: Juan Mata is a must
and our attackvincent said:gooneyrovski said:if we get him, then it would make us stronger as he's more suited as a left winger than nasri for usokstate99 said:Via Twitter
Apparently, Arsenal and Liverpool?
Nasri replacement?
For me, Arsenal's problem is their poor defence, lack of leaders & average GK's (all the young kid is a good prospect).