Can’t remember who it was, but some barmpot was on here pre-Euros saying I was a KFA for saying Southgate had made a piss poor decision at LB / Trippier isn’t a LB. Wonder if he’s still on here and thinks Trippier is a suitable option…I wanted him here to play alongside KDB in the box to box role he had at Dortmund.
He is not a 10 however and hasn’t produced any good performances in any game I’ve seen him play this year. Will be interesting to see how he does next season assuming he goes back into midfield.
I think a great many of England problems would be solved by playing him alongside Rice, with Foden 10 and Eze or Gordon on the left ( oh and by having a left sided left back).
No. The point is, iirc, the poster called Bellingham world class and very inconsistent. Very inconsistent is not a 'dip in form'The season before he had a dip in form and Pep actually dropped him for a few games.
The point is every player will have a dip in form. In KDBs case though they have been fleeting and he’s always bounced back to the top player we all know he is
It's pointless comparing Rodri to Bellingham. They're two different players entirely. It'd be like comparing Messi and Iniesta; both played in close proximity on the pitch for long periods of their careers, both all-time greats of the game, but players with differing attributes.
Although, interestingly, both Rodri and Bellingham have one thing common; delivering "clutch moments", as Gen FIFA like to say. If England or Spain get to the final, and you had to stake money on a player from each to deliver the deciding moment, I'd stake on Bellingham for England and Rodri for Spain.
When you’ve got to the point where you blindly support a player who by most metrics has been very poor throughout the tournament then you’re not worth engaging with.Not nearly everyone. Everyone. And now because he's delivering for England whilst Phil isn't, he's average.
Strange how the human mind works. Also sadly predictable.
Delivering for England, he’s scored two goals that it, the rest of time I’ve not seen him create chances or put in any decent performance, Phil has worked tirelessly and unfortunate not score two, one offside and hitting the post in a previous game. He’s created chances for others and played out of position for the team, I think we have won despite Bellingham not because of him, it’s not all his fault, lots of that lies at Southgate feet.Not nearly everyone. Everyone. And now because he's delivering for England whilst Phil isn't, he's average.
Strange how the human mind works. Also sadly predictable.
Has he performed well in the last 4 months of the season including the last 4 games for England?Not nearly everyone. Everyone. And now because he's delivering for England whilst Phil isn't, he's average.
Strange how the human mind works. Also sadly predictable.
But you're dealing with hypotheticals. If we get to the final and win the thing, with Bellingham scoring the winner, we'll still have some on here saying "oh well we'd have won 5-0 if Foden/Madison/deleteasappropriate had played instead". Last season we won the league ostensibly without De Bruyne. Do we turn round and say we'd have stormed it more with Kev, or give credit to the players that actually delivered? I love Phil to bits, but he doesn't look the same when playing for England (understandable) so Bellingham isn't going to be shifted on a hypothetical scenario when he's delivering the killer moments. And suggesting neither he nor Kane are fit to wear the shirt is lunacy.I'd say that without Bellingham and Kane being picked as a starter for every single game and given preferential treatment we wouldn't have needed last gasp winners, up until now we have played teams we really should have smashed and we haven't.
Let's say Phil played in the number 10 position and Watkins was picked upfront (Why the fuck he agreed to go as a placeholder god only knows) and IMHO we win these games comfortably.
Imagine being Kane and Bellingham, always picked and neither being good enough over the last 4 games to wear the shirt, the waistcoat however will persevere with his stupidity and we will get dumped out in a penalty shootout, the finals have been a damp squib and it's going to be more of the same because either way waistcoat and Co will be rewarded for their failure.
Delivering for England, he’s scored two goals that it, the rest of time I’ve not seen him create chances or put in any decent performance, Phil has worked tirelessly and unfortunate not score two, one offside and hitting the post in a previous game. He’s created chances for others and played out of position for the team, I think we have won despite Bellingham not because of him, it’s not all his fault, lots of that lies at Southgate feet.
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I think he has been below average, for his standards, but he's still had a bigger impact than any other England player at this stage. That can't be disputed.When you’ve got to the point where you blindly support a player who by most metrics has been very poor throughout the tournament then you’re not worth engaging with.
Now, there’s no denying he’s scored two very important goals but if you can honestly sit there and claim he’s been anything other than below average you’re just a fanboy/girl at this point.
I imagine most wanted him here from Dortmund because at a very young age he looked like he had all the ability in the world and Pep could turn him into something special.
This version of Bellingham isn’t that player though and add in his highly unlikable attitude and egotistical manner in which he struts around the pitch getting in players faces and being on the cusp of a red most games it’s not rocket science to figure out why some may have changed their minds on him.
Accusing blues of only thinking this way because he didn’t want to come here is the only predictable thing taking place here.
Did I? Don't remember that, but thanks for letting me know.Not nearly everyone. Everyone. And now because he's delivering for England whilst Phil isn't, he's average.
Strange how the human mind works. Also sadly predictable.
I want Bellingham to do well, but let's be totally honest aside from two goals he has been anonymous in this England side. Phil had been deliberately stuck out on the left wing where he doesn't play.Not nearly everyone. Everyone. And now because he's delivering for England whilst Phil isn't, he's average.
Strange how the human mind works. Also sadly predictable.
Agreed. His best moments at this tournament (aside from the goals) have come from the rare moments when he's dropped deep and surveyed what's in front of him instead of trying to link up play on the edge of the box. He's the guy Southgate thinks he's missing next to Rice - the Henderson/Phillips type - but he's actually right there. Southgate's just not a very functional thinker and doesn't know what international football's actually about. Bellingham's not a link-up guy or a nimble 10 - if anything he's a target man. Ancelotti figured it out after about two games that Bellingham's no good behind the striker - he either is the striker or has to be kept away from him. Funnily enough, as much as Southgate's not much of a functional thinker, he might have accidentally stumbled on the formation that will get England to the final in the last 10 mins of the Slovakia game.I wanted him here to play alongside KDB in the box to box role he had at Dortmund.
He is not a 10 however and hasn’t produced any good performances in any game I’ve seen him play this year. Will be interesting to see how he does next season assuming he goes back into midfield.
I think a great many of England problems would be solved by playing him alongside Rice, with Foden 10 and Eze or Gordon on the left ( oh and by having a left sided left back).
Of course. All the greats have dips in form. Obviously. That's usually offset by a consistently world class body of work across a long period hence the world class classification. Bellingham on the other hand simply hasn't been around long enough at the very top level to fit in the same category. In fact in all the genuinely big games he's featured in he's been peripheral at best with odd moments of quality thrown in there. Much more needed from him. Time on his side though to develop more I mean he only turned 13 the other day.The season before he had a dip in form and Pep actually dropped him for a few games.
The point is every player will have a dip in form. In KDBs case though they have been fleeting and he’s always bounced back to the top player we all know he is
I think that’s a fair assessment. I think he has a lot of ability, I would have preferred it if he’d have signed for us instead of Real Madrid. Do I think he’s better than Rodri, do I thump. Do I think he’s a world class player, in my opinion as it’s a forum, not yet, but he has the makings of one. Things like that overhead kick does make you pretty special but you have to do ‘things’ on the pitch most matches, not one in four. He’s young and will get better.Bellingham at present has these odd moments of world class ability. Not many in the England squad can score the kind of goal that he got the other day.
In terms of being consistently a world class performer over 90 minutes he's a long way off it from the full matches I've watched him play in for Madrid and England.
We live in an age where people mostly consume bitesized clips and viral moments, and form an overall opinion based on that. So when people see that overhead kick on repeat and clips of the unnecessary backheels and skills he has on the ball, they confuse that for someone who's performing well above his peers consistently thru a full game. Hence the over the top hype that people heap upon him.
I've got a mate who's still adamant even now that he pisses all over Rordi in terms of class and still calls Bellingham a proven world class player now. Mental to me. Being capable of world class moments every so often isn't enough when the rest of your game is pretty ineffectual.
The attitude stuff I don't really care about and I remain confused as to why people waste their own energy by being so up in arms about that side of him.
I was saying same v Slovakia. Rice was playing more the left sided pivot and every time he got the ball he had his back to the opposition goal and either passed it back to the defender or passed to the right side (infield)Everyone talking about pushing him back and having Phil at 10.
I remember one England game, a friendly where Foden played very deep, controlling the game, long Hoddleseque passes. He can do this.
Bellingham for me should be further forward.
Spot on.Everyone talking about pushing him back and having Phil at 10.
I remember one England game, a friendly where Foden played very deep, controlling the game, long Hoddleseque passes. He can do this.
Bellingham for me should be further forward.
There was saying years ago, for Barton, I think, but it might apply equally to Bellend:There’s never been a player in history as good as Bellingham thinks he is.
Mrs Vienna has just said that Bellend isn’t fit to clean Rodri's boots.Bellingham at present has these odd moments of world class ability. Not many in the England squad can score the kind of goal that he got the other day.
In terms of being consistently a world class performer over 90 minutes he's a long way off it from the full matches I've watched him play in for Madrid and England.
We live in an age where people mostly consume bitesized clips and viral moments, and form an overall opinion based on that. So when people see that overhead kick on repeat and clips of the unnecessary backheels and skills he has on the ball, they confuse that for someone who's performing well above his peers consistently thru a full game. Hence the over the top hype that people heap upon him.
I've got a mate who's still adamant even now that he pisses all over Rordi in terms of class and still calls Bellingham a proven world class player now. Mental to me. Being capable of world class moments every so often isn't enough when the rest of your game is pretty ineffectual.
The attitude stuff I don't really care about and I remain confused as to why people waste their own energy by being so up in arms about that side of him.