whp.blue
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bluevengence said:
my thoghts exactly he had his chance and blew it
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Kaka.....
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my thoghts exactly he had his chance and blew it
M18CTID
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Okay, here's my take on what I think happened:
Kaka never really wanted to leave AC Milan for anyone but with the kind of money we were offering for him, Berlusconi told him that they couldn't afford not to sell him to us. Kaka accepted this and became open to the idea of joining us - if he wasn't then there's no way on earth it would've got to the stage where we sent people over there to negotiate personal terms.
In the meantime, Milan had stupidly let the cat out of the bag regarding the possible transfer. This in turn led to mass protests by Milan's Ultras outside Kaka's apartment. Seeing these protests, Berlusconi realised there'd be a furious reaction from the club's fans if the deal went through and decided the best thing to do would be to shelve any plan to sell him for the time being, providing Kaka was in agreement. Witnessing the protests first-hand from his apartment window, Kaka had no hesitation in agreeing with Berlusconi and that's when the whole thing fell through.
So you could argue that both Kaka and Milan bottled it. Personally, I don't like to think of either club or player bottling it - more that fan power initiated a climbdown. It's no coincidence that when Kaka was sold to Real Madrid a few months later that the impending transfer wasn't announced until Kaka was thousands of miles away on Brazil duty, (he even had his Madrid medical in Recife) so there was no chance whatsoever of the Ultras being able to do anything about it, unlike the previous occasion when they camped outside his apartment.
Kaka never really wanted to leave AC Milan for anyone but with the kind of money we were offering for him, Berlusconi told him that they couldn't afford not to sell him to us. Kaka accepted this and became open to the idea of joining us - if he wasn't then there's no way on earth it would've got to the stage where we sent people over there to negotiate personal terms.
In the meantime, Milan had stupidly let the cat out of the bag regarding the possible transfer. This in turn led to mass protests by Milan's Ultras outside Kaka's apartment. Seeing these protests, Berlusconi realised there'd be a furious reaction from the club's fans if the deal went through and decided the best thing to do would be to shelve any plan to sell him for the time being, providing Kaka was in agreement. Witnessing the protests first-hand from his apartment window, Kaka had no hesitation in agreeing with Berlusconi and that's when the whole thing fell through.
So you could argue that both Kaka and Milan bottled it. Personally, I don't like to think of either club or player bottling it - more that fan power initiated a climbdown. It's no coincidence that when Kaka was sold to Real Madrid a few months later that the impending transfer wasn't announced until Kaka was thousands of miles away on Brazil duty, (he even had his Madrid medical in Recife) so there was no chance whatsoever of the Ultras being able to do anything about it, unlike the previous occasion when they camped outside his apartment.
Sheikh n Bake
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whp.blue said:bluevengence said:FOOK HIM
my thoghts exactly he had his chance and blew it
blew it? haha yeah I bet he's gutted that he's at Real Madrid, top of the league
Freestyler
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pardoe said:I honestly think that he wouldn't stand out in the Premier League.
Wouldn't like to see us pay over £20m for him.
fuckinell, if kaka goes for less than 20mill then we'd get about 2mil for robinho lol
Pigeonho
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M18ctid has it about right, only thing id say in disagreement though is that the protests wouldn't have happened for the Madrid transfer as its more acceptable for him to go to Madrid, a club which is bigger than Milan therefore seen as progression for kaka.the protests were like a who the fuck are they kind of thing. Imagine our money ends and we are skint, darlington come in for tevez and we kick off about it. Same thing because to those European super clubs we are the equivalent of darlington in their fans eyes. Later on Madrid come in for him, its then. A case of 'fair play then, can't say no to that really'.
Hatemanyoo
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Pigeonho, spot on mate.
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pardoe said:I honestly think that he wouldn't stand out in the Premier League.
Wouldn't like to see us pay over £20m for him.
PMSL. he's not having a great season but get real mate. he's one of the world's best
I know there are people convinced that some negotiations had taken place at a high enough level to warrant a flight out etc but the fact still remains that no personal terms were ever discussed and no transfer fee was agreed.
Its not as if, just as the pen was picked up to sign the contract things went pear shaped is it?
There was perhaps weeks of negotiations still to happen.
Fortunately City have learnt a lot since that 'deal' and the deals are now likely to happen more quickly and if the rumours are to be taken seriously there are already 2 players tied to deals in the summer.
It also explains why so much was spent so quickly in the sumer just gone as it helps convince the next targets that it is all happening at City.
Its not as if, just as the pen was picked up to sign the contract things went pear shaped is it?
There was perhaps weeks of negotiations still to happen.
Fortunately City have learnt a lot since that 'deal' and the deals are now likely to happen more quickly and if the rumours are to be taken seriously there are already 2 players tied to deals in the summer.
It also explains why so much was spent so quickly in the sumer just gone as it helps convince the next targets that it is all happening at City.
BibbyBlue85
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fbloke said:I know there are people convinced that some negotiations had taken place at a high enough level to warrant a flight out etc but the fact still remains that no personal terms were ever discussed and no transfer fee was agreed.
Its not as if, just as the pen was picked up to sign the contract things went pear shaped is it?
There was perhaps weeks of negotiations still to happen.
Fortunately City have learnt a lot since that 'deal' and the deals are now likely to happen more quickly and if the rumours are to be taken seriously there are already 2 players tied to deals in the summer.
It also explains why so much was spent so quickly in the sumer just gone as it helps convince the next targets that it is all happening at City.
The rumours being Torres and who?
sam221985
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Ireland won't be gone in the summer.
Khaldoon won't allow him to be sold. He isn't stupid. He recognises the importance of top quality academy players to the club and the fans, and has enough football-savvy to know that a player as immensely quality as Ireland was last season doesn't become shit overnight and will likely become quality again soon.
Khaldoon won't allow him to be sold. He isn't stupid. He recognises the importance of top quality academy players to the club and the fans, and has enough football-savvy to know that a player as immensely quality as Ireland was last season doesn't become shit overnight and will likely become quality again soon.
JoeMercer'sWay
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sam221985 said:Ireland won't be gone in the summer.
Khaldoon won't allow him to be sold. He isn't stupid. He recognises the importance of top quality academy players to the club and the fans, and has enough football-savvy to know that a player as immensely quality as Ireland was last season doesn't become shit overnight and will likely become quality again soon.
the only reason I see Ireland staying is to fill a European quota.
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mcfc_die_hard said:Before you start oh another kaka thread just listen.
Loads and loads of reports coming out that he is in a bad mental way at Real Madrid!
They say that he is on his own in the dressing room and doesnt really pal along with any of his team mates.
This morning talk sport had Guilem Balague on talking about barca and also got onto the subject of kaka. He also said that he isnt in the right state to play at the moment not just physically but mentaly.
With Ireland imo gone in the summer, dont like to say that because hes our talent but i feel he is off somewhere else, but i can see us bidding for kaka again and give him that lift he needs, and probably at a snip of what we would have paid for him before.
And dont give it the old, no more brazilians please because he is physically suited to the prem and also doesnt have the typical flamboyant brazilian player attitude.
The reason kaka is reportedly unhappy comes down to two words ...'home sick'!
It seemed pretty clear to me that he never really wanted to leave Milan at all , but was probably 'pushed' ..... a clear case of Milan not wanting to turn good money down for a second time , after they'd witnessed the City effort to buy him ......... kaka had enjoyed his six years in Italy , loved the fans , and didn't really want to go.
He'd be exactly the same if he came to England ........ so it's gotta be a big NO from me !
BibbyBlue85 said:fbloke said:I know there are people convinced that some negotiations had taken place at a high enough level to warrant a flight out etc but the fact still remains that no personal terms were ever discussed and no transfer fee was agreed.
Its not as if, just as the pen was picked up to sign the contract things went pear shaped is it?
There was perhaps weeks of negotiations still to happen.
Fortunately City have learnt a lot since that 'deal' and the deals are now likely to happen more quickly and if the rumours are to be taken seriously there are already 2 players tied to deals in the summer.
It also explains why so much was spent so quickly in the sumer just gone as it helps convince the next targets that it is all happening at City.
The rumours being Torres and who?
My money would be on Aguero and Kjaer.
But thats from bits and pieces i heard before January.
foolsgold*
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Robinho's_thumb said:Why would ac Milan accept madrids lower bid over ours? Kaka said no.
Some on here are in real denial about that. He made his choice, he has to live with it.
Someone with sense... finally!!
foolsgold* said:Robinho's_thumb said:Why would ac Milan accept madrids lower bid over ours? Kaka said no.
Some on here are in real denial about that. He made his choice, he has to live with it.
Someone with sense... finally!!
Berlusconi is the owner of AC Milan but more importantly is the PM of Italy. Votes are more important than money!