Keir Starmer

[ganganvince]

But he doesn't need to be named to be suspended from the whip. The problem is he can't be suspended from Parliament. Also that once he's named how does the alleged victim stay anonymous (as they had been in a relationship?)

By suspending the Whip it will be difficult not to identify him as the press will be allowed to report x has had the Whip suspended whilst they can't name on the arrest.

 

[Vic]

By suspending the Whip it will be difficult not to identify him as the press will be allowed to report x has had the Whip suspended whilst they can't name on the arrest.

"The Tory whip has been removed from the unnamed MP who is the subject to a rape allegation." Parliament isn't in session. If it was, he'd keep voting with the government and who would know (outside parliament)? Mind you, a lot of Tory MPs might then vote against the whip to prove it's not them.

 

[ganganvince]

"The Tory whip has been removed from the unnamed MP who is the subject to a rape allegation." Parliament isn't in session. If it was, he'd keep voting with the government and who would know (outside parliament)? Mind you, a lot of Tory MPs might then vote against the whip to prove it's not them.

Do you seriously think the MSM wouldn't name him they have given enough clues for anyone who wants to work out who it is can. As it stands they can't name until charged for the allegation but would have no restriction reporting on a suspension by the way I agree there should be no identification until charges are brought.

 

[mat]

Do you seriously think the MSM wouldn't name him they have given enough clues for anyone who wants to work out who it is can. As it stands they can't name until charged for the allegation but would have no restriction reporting on a suspension by the way I agree there should be no identification until charges are brought.

Exactly.

They might be a Tory **** but everyone is entitled to a fair judicial process. Innocent until proven guilty and all that foshizzle.

I hope the alleged victim is given all the support and protections they need.


Jess Phillips is just giving her rentagob speech to her media pals. I've no time for her as her own CLP see her for the self promotion machine she is.

 

[MillionMilesAway]

Do you seriously think the MSM wouldn't name him they have given enough clues for anyone who wants to work out who it is can. As it stands they can't name until charged for the allegation but would have no restriction reporting on a suspension by the way I agree there should be no identification until charges are brought.

Yeah, it would come out, I think.
I did see someone looked on wikipedia and it's one of about 17 (if memory serves) so it wouldn't be difficult to find out.

 

[Deleted member 77198]

Has this happened? I have been away and not seen the news.

If he removed the whip from Corbyn, it would split the party even further than he already has, how that makes the party more electable is a mystery to me, because lots of the membership that still remain would go nuts about that. I know this is a generalisation but most of the hardcore canvassers, leafleters, campaigners are on the left of the party and he would lose the grass roots support.

The grass roots Labour support will never get Labour elected.

All the people who abstained from voting in December or went and voted for the Lib Dem’s or Conservatives because they just couldn’t stomach Corbyn, the people in the background behind him and the direction they felt Labour had taken; are going to be more likely to come back to vote Labour in the future if ties are cut with what a lot of people saw as a shower of shite.

And they’re the voters who’ll most likely get Labour a victory.

 

[Rascal]

Yet Corbyn didn't

And never got the chance to because of the traitorous behaviour of those who Starmer has agreed to pay off.

 

[Rascal]

For that to change there would need to be a leadership challenge. Who would that come from? RLB isn't going to do it. She is done in as a candidate by the Maxene Peake debacle. Who else is there from the left of the party that would have a chance. One of the things we learned from Corbyns term was how thin the pool is of hard left labour MP talent is. I don't see who could make a leadership bid and get anywhere near the 20% support required to get the process moving. Starmer is safe for at least 4 years unless a GE comes sooner. Pointless speculating beyond that as so much will change in that time.

What do you mean by hard left?

 

[Rascal]

The grass roots Labour support will never get Labour elected.

All the people who abstained from voting in December or went and voted for the Lib Dem’s or Conservatives because they just couldn’t stomach Corbyn, the people in the background behind him and the direction they felt Labour had taken; are going to be more likely to come back to vote Labour in the future if ties are cut with what a lot of people saw as a shower of shite.

And they’re the voters who’ll most likely get Labour a victory.

I would be surprised if Labour win another election in my lifetime, I am 54 now and the splits in the party caused by the centrists are deep. The centrists never accepted the democratic choice of the members in electing Corbyn just like they never accepted the democratic choice of the people over Brexit. They have marginalised and purged the left of the party and the broad Labour movement is finished. The centrist/Blairites are no different from the Tories in that they exist for self fulfilment not for the good of the people or the nation. Self serving cunts like Austin undermined Labour at every turn and got rewarded with a Lordship from Johnson.

On another forum that I frequent I said before the BREXIT referendum that it was a calculated stroke of genius from Osborne to hold a referendum, Cameron was too fucking stupid to see it, but Osborne as much as I despise the **** saw the opportunity to destroy the Labour party and took the gamble. It worked too, Labour should always have been the party of leave but it allowed itself to be hijacked by the FBFE fruitcakes/ metropolitan liberal elites like Starmer and Kinnock et al and they betrayed the working class that had always been Labour supporters. The red wall voting Tory in support of BREXIT should have been a massive wake up call but the parties position was so ambigious and Starmers idiotic compromise led it to defeat. This could be done because of the traitorous cunts at Labour HQ and the backstabbing pro EU MPs like Austin, Ummuna and others who chose to support the neo-liberal corporate loving EU over the working class needs of the UK population.

UKIP was as big threat to Labour as it was the Tories and Labours stupidity allowed Farage to gain traction and instead of Labour leading a leave campaign based on Socialist values we got a leave campaign based on Nationalist values and those desperate for change chose nationalism disguised as patriotism over Socialism. Labour should have backed leave as Labour has traditionally been a patriotic party of the working class that espoused real British values of welfarism and compassion rather than Conservative truisms of exploitation and subjugation to corporate capitalism.

If Labour is not the party of the working class then it is nothing, the last manifesto was a good one but it was undermined continually by members of its own party who allowed other issues to cloud the manifesto and instead of supporting the leadership actively worked against it and supported coups against the members wishes. A party divided never gets elected. The fucking idiotic pro-EU labour lobby have made a no deal Brexit more likely instead of a managed Socialist Brexit we could have had. Their wanton stupidity not only demeaned Labour it helped the Tories get elected and for that I will never forgive the cunts, because they have wreaked fucking havoc as always because they are biggest bunch of clueless cunts to ever be elected and its the Labour centrist/pro EU balloons who are too blame for it. Now the silly cunts expect the likes of me to back them after they have wrecked the party and they can get to fuck because they don't have a socialist bone between them.

I do genuinely think the Labour party as an electoral force is finished and a new party of the left is needed, one that is Socialist, anti EU and internationalist, a party that champions the working class, supports the NHS and the welfare state, is strong on defence, policing and is against corporatism and nationalism. It should be progressive and support public ownership of national assets, support collectivism over individualism and not be afraid to tackle inequality.

In the meanwhile Starmer will limp on, the Tory press will love him as he is no threat to establishment norms and the damaging inequalities in our society will continue to increase expotentially as the capitalist class continue to exploit the working class.

Johnson is a lucky ****, the worst PM in our history has an opposition who lickspittle his backside and offer no alternative to the the damage his idiocy is bringing upon our country.

If there was a God i would pray for him to help us out of this shitstorm but there isnt so we are fucked and we will be fucked for generations.

 

[Vic]

I would be surprised if Labour win another election in my lifetime, I am 54 now and the splits in the party caused by the centrists are deep. The centrists never accepted the democratic choice of the members in electing Corbyn just like they never accepted the democratic choice of the people over Brexit. They have marginalised and purged the left of the party and the broad Labour movement is finished. The centrist/Blairites are no different from the Tories in that they exist for self fulfilment not for the good of the people or the nation. Self serving cunts like Austin undermined Labour at every turn and got rewarded with a Lordship from Johnson.

On another forum that I frequent I said before the BREXIT referendum that it was a calculated stroke of genius from Osborne to hold a referendum, Cameron was too fucking stupid to see it, but Osborne as much as I despise the **** saw the opportunity to destroy the Labour party and took the gamble. It worked too, Labour should always have been the party of leave but it allowed itself to be hijacked by the FBFE fruitcakes/ metropolitan liberal elites like Starmer and Kinnock et al and they betrayed the working class that had always been Labour supporters. The red wall voting Tory in support of BREXIT should have been a massive wake up call but the parties position was so ambigious and Starmers idiotic compromise led it to defeat. This could be done because of the traitorous cunts at Labour HQ and the backstabbing pro EU MPs like Austin, Ummuna and others who chose to support the neo-liberal corporate loving EU over the working class needs of the UK population.

UKIP was as big threat to Labour as it was the Tories and Labours stupidity allowed Farage to gain traction and instead of Labour leading a leave campaign based on Socialist values we got a leave campaign based on Nationalist values and those desperate for change chose nationalism disguised as patriotism over Socialism. Labour should have backed leave as Labour has traditionally been a patriotic party of the working class that espoused real British values of welfarism and compassion rather than Conservative truisms of exploitation and subjugation to corporate capitalism.

If Labour is not the party of the working class then it is nothing, the last manifesto was a good one but it was undermined continually by members of its own party who allowed other issues to cloud the manifesto and instead of supporting the leadership actively worked against it and supported coups against the members wishes. A party divided never gets elected. The fucking idiotic pro-EU labour lobby have made a no deal Brexit more likely instead of a managed Socialist Brexit we could have had. Their wanton stupidity not only demeaned Labour it helped the Tories get elected and for that I will never forgive the cunts, because they have wreaked fucking havoc as always because they are biggest bunch of clueless cunts to ever be elected and its the Labour centrist/pro EU balloons who are too blame for it. Now the silly cunts expect the likes of me to back them after they have wrecked the party and they can get to fuck because they don't have a socialist bone between them.

I do genuinely think the Labour party as an electoral force is finished and a new party of the left is needed, one that is Socialist, anti EU and internationalist, a party that champions the working class, supports the NHS and the welfare state, is strong on defence, policing and is against corporatism and nationalism. It should be progressive and support public ownership of national assets, support collectivism over individualism and not be afraid to tackle inequality.

In the meanwhile Starmer will limp on, the Tory press will love him as he is no threat to establishment norms and the damaging inequalities in our society will continue to increase expotentially as the capitalist class continue to exploit the working class.

Johnson is a lucky ****, the worst PM in our history has an opposition who lickspittle his backside and offer no alternative to the the damage his idiocy is bringing upon our country.

If there was a God i would pray for him to help us out of this shitstorm but there isnt so we are fucked and we will be fucked for generations.

I've not read the whole essay but Brexit wouldn't have been an issue if Corbyn had campaigned for it, as 80% if his momentum supporters wanted (one of the few things that the vast majority of the party membership, left centre or right, agreed on).