Keir Starmer

[west didsblue]

As Shadow Education Secretary I was disappointed Labour couldn’t choose an MP capable of knowing how to use was / were correctly. She’s an absolute liability.

As a bit of a stickler for correct grammar, the use of "was" instead of "were" and vice versa does annoy me slightly but I'm prepared to admit that most people aren't that bothered, and judging her on that without taking account all her attributes is a bit small minded. The fact that she was shadow education secretary is neither here nor there; she's not a teacher and doesn't pretend to be. She is never going to be leader of the party because like it or not she doesn't present the right image as she still retains a broad accent which is enough to put off too many electors, but in spite of that she is eloquent and quite persuasive in her arguments if you look past her grammar and accent. Unlike the idiot in charge of the country who can barely string a sentence together without blustering and waffling about vaccines. But he does it in a posh accent and dresses up in silly outfits so that's ok.

 

[MillionMilesAway]

Labour vote down 9000
Conservative vote down 6000
Some weird Heavy Woollen party (run by a UKIP bloke) disappeared - 6500
Galloway 8000

Difficult to read anything from that due to the unusual candidates at the last two elections.

 

[urban genie]

I doubt very much he got too many tory votes. Galloway was purely going for the islamic labour vote, same as did round us (apparently his bellend bus was out and about there too, with his oh so big and hard "election helpers". mega ****).

I don't think he got any tory votes, I think he got dissatisfied labour votes which stopped those votes becoming tory votes

 

[bluejon]

I don't think he got any tory votes, I think he got dissatisfied labour votes which stopped those votes becoming tory votes

Fair argument, although after this week with Hancock etc, and the amount of racist bullshit pouring out of the collective tory arse, I doubt too many would have voted for the conservatives. Regardless, he can stick his battle bus up his arse. He lost again. Brilliant.

 

[law74]

What we can't know is how many votes Labour received due to the candidate being Jo Cox's sister.....I'm of the opinion Labour held the seat despite Starmer, and certainly not because of him.

 

[PannickAtTheDisco]

What we can't know is how many votes Labour received due to the candidate being Jo Cox's sister.....I'm of the opinion Labour held the seat despite Starmer, and certainly not because of him.

win's a win.

 

[west didsblue]

What we can't know is how many votes Labour received due to the candidate being Jo Cox's sister.....I'm of the opinion Labour held the seat despite Starmer, and certainly not because of him.

You're probably right but it will certainly help him no end that people know that Labour can win a vote that everyone predicted they'd lose. I'm just beginning to wonder if some of the electorate are beginning to realise that Johnson has no credible policies and relies on impressing enough people by wearing fancy dress, using sound bites and bullshitting/ gaslighting.

 

[law74]

You're probably right but it will certainly help him no end that people know that Labour can win a vote that everyone predicted they'd lose. I'm just beginning to wonder if some of the electorate are beginning to realise that Johnson has no credible policies and relies on impressing enough people by wearing fancy dress, using sound bites and bullshitting/ gaslighting.

I think that quite a few of the electorate know that we currently have a lazy lying incompetent buffoon in Number 10, but the Leader of the Alternative Tory Party doesnt inspire confidence.

 

[bluethrunthru]

One thing is for certain - Galloway will have already left Batley and Spen and won't look back over his shoulder nor care a jot for the place nor its constituents ever again in his life. He is a shit stain on the gusset of British politics

 

[west didsblue]

I think that quite a few of the electorate know that we currently have a lazy lying incompetent buffoon in Number 10, but the Leader of the Alternative Tory Party doesnt inspire confidence.

However he's not Corbyn and can't be characterised by the media as a loony lefty, and even if he's a bit of a Tory (which I don't think he is) it's far better than current Tory Party that have given up on the traditional Conservative agenda and have become the Brexit and Bullshit Party with no principles at all.

 

[bluejon]

I think that quite a few of the electorate know that we currently have a lazy lying incompetent buffoon in Number 10, but the Leader of the Alternative Tory Party doesnt inspire confidence.

This is exactly why Labour are screwed though. Corbyn's lot spent 4 years kicking off that everyone didn't get behind their deity, but as soon as someone else gets the leadership job, the boot is constantly being put in with no sense of irony at all. Starmer may be many things, but he isn't a tory.

 

[Zuriblue]

What a wonderful, unexpected result to wake up to! Not least because it pisses off all the right people - the Tories, the Galloway Left, gormless media commentators like Aaron Bastani etc

It seems that some local Tories have been lamenting that they "had it in the bag" a week ago, until Galloway ratcheted up the toxicity to unbearable levels. Couldn't happen to a nicer bunch of cnuts, quite frankly.

Is it too much to ask that the next by-election is in a cuddly, Remain-leaning seat where Labour are the only realistic challengers and where the Tory majority is <10,000?

 

[The perfect fumble]

This is exactly why Labour are screwed though. Corbyn's lot spent 4 years kicking off that everyone didn't get behind their deity, but as soon as someone else gets the leadership job, the boot is constantly being put in with no sense of irony at all. Starmer may be many things, but he isn't a tory.

If you think that Starmer is receiving the same level of boot from the left as Corbyn received from the right then you need to get out more.

Corbyn, the ex leader of the Labour party, had the whip personally removed by Starmer. Forget the Tory vaccine bounce, Starmer's slide in the polls can be pinpointed to that very moment.

You might not like the left in the party, I'm beginning to get pissed off with them myself, but alienating them and booting them out of the party has consequences.

This bed is of Starmer's making, he has to lie in it.

 

[bluejon]

If you think that Starmer is receiving the same level of boot from the left as Corbyn received from the right then you need to get out more.

Corbyn, the ex leader of the Labour party, had the whip personally removed by Starmer. Forget the Tory vaccine bounce, Starmer's slide in the polls can be pin pointed to that very moment.

You might not like the left in the party, I'm beginning to get pissed off with them myself, but alienating them and booting them out of the party has consequences.

This bed is of Starmer's making, he has to lie in it.

What was Starmer supposed to do there? Corbyn was briefed on the findings of the antisemitism report and he essentially stuck two fingers up to the party. I also don't agree with your analysis on the polls, i believe it is entirely a vaccine bounce. Johnson isn't stupid. He knew that as long as the vaccine program worked, which it has, the voters would forgive him for pretty much anything. The Corbyn thing won't even have been on most people's radar outside of the party, or those who closely follow what is going on.

 

[The perfect fumble]

What was Starmer supposed to do there? Corbyn was briefed on the findings of the antisemitism report and he essentially stuck two fingers up to the party.

The facts do not support that assertion.

I also don't agree with your analysis on the polls, i believe it is entirely a vaccine bounce. Johnson isn't stupid. He knew that as long as the vaccine program worked, which it has, the voters would forgive him for pretty much anything. The Corbyn thing won't even have been on most people's radar outside of the party, or those who closely follow what is going on.

That is the narrative, but it does not hold up to scrutiny, A Tory victory over Labour, a Liberal victory over the Tories and a Labour hold tell us nothing.

Smarter Tories know they're in trouble, their support is wide, thin and old. Those who don't vote Tory are younger, better educated and increasingly they despise the Tories.

The Corbyn thing won't even have been on most people's radar outside of the party, or those who closely follow what is going on.

Voters don't vote for divided party's and divided party's make poor oppositions.

 

[bluejon]

The facts do not support that assertion.



That is the narrative, but it does not hold up to scrutiny, A Tory victory over Labour, a Liberal victory over the Tories and a Labour hold tell us nothing.

Smarter Tories know they're in trouble, their support is wide, thin and old. Those who don't vote Tory are younger, better educated and increasingly they despise the Tories.



Voters don't vote for divided party's and divided party's make poor oppositions.

The voters Labour need to win were generally turned off by a combination of Corbyn and Labour refusal to have any coherent brexit policy whatsoever (see Corbyn). Corbyn being hoofed out the party will have been a good thing. As for you saying the facts don't support the assertion, I'm going off purely what i thought to be the case so if you can point out where I was wrong, that would be great. My assertion is that Corbyn knew the content of the anti-Semitism report, all he had to was accept he'd made mistakes, but he didn't do that and put two fingers up to the party putting out his own version of events. The party then hoofed him.

 

[urban genie]

I realy find this tedious name-ism quite sad.

And it was the blue labour progress enthralled arsewipes like Alan Johnson and Mandelson that started it, Blairite, brownite, corbynite blah blah..

None of them exist, you can be a right wing labour member and thinl blair is a ****, you can be a socialist labour member and think cobyn was also a useless ****, you can be inbetween and really shoud join the SDP.

Identity politics something a right wing thinktank loves imersed such shite into the party and as long as starmer thinks Mandelson is someone to garner sage advice from the party under him is going nowhere.

 

[The perfect fumble]

The voters Labour need to win were generally turned off by a combination of Corbyn and Labour refusal to have any coherent brexit policy whatsoever (see Corbyn). Corbyn being hoofed out the party will have been a good thing. As for you saying the facts don't support the assertion, I'm going off purely what i thought to be the case so if you can point out where I was wrong, that would be great. My assertion is that Corbyn knew the content of the anti-Semitism report, all he had to was accept he'd made mistakes, but he didn't do that and put two fingers up to the party putting out his own version of events. The party then hoofed him.

The report was instigated in the expectation that the Labour Party would be found to be institutionally anti-Semitic.

The report did not find that.

It found four cases in which the party leadership had intervened.

Starmer bigged the report up and did a mea culpa on behalf of the entire party. Corbyn put the report in its proper perspective and Starmer lashed out at him knowing the right had his back and they did, but the Labour right do not a party make.

 

[PannickAtTheDisco]

The report was instigated in the expectation that the Labour Party would be found to be institutionally anti-Semitic.

The report did not find that.

it found four cases in which the party leadership had intervened.

Starmer bigged the report up and did a mea culpa on behalf of the entire party. Corbyn put the report in its proper perspective and Starmer lashed out at him knowing the right had his back and they did, but the Labour right do not a party make.

neither do a Labour left, as 18 months ago proved.

 

[The perfect fumble]

I realy find this tedious name-ism quite sad.

And it was the blue labour progress enthralled arsewipes like Alan Johnson and Mandelson that started it, Blairite, brownite, corbynite blah blah..

None of them exist, you can be a right wing labour member and thinl blair is a ****, you can be a socialist labour member and think cobyn was also a useless ****, you can be inbetween and really shoud join the SDP.

Identity politics something a right wing thinktank loves imersed such shite into the party and as long as starmer thinks Mandelson is someone to garner sage advice from the party under him is going nowhere.

You're confusing your terms, herding people in to Blairite or Corbynite pigeonholes might be too broad brush, ignoring overlaps and areas of agreement, but crude as these categories are they are ideologically based not identity based.

New Labour third way exists, socialism exists, calling them Blairism or Corbynism might be puerile and over simplistic, but they are rooted in very different political philosophies and not on the colour of ones skin or gender identity.