Keir Starmer

[Len Rum]

Bought nothing Len.

Hilarious that all you dyed in the wool socialists put all your money and faith in the metropolitan elite though as you abandoned the working class with your brexit snobbery and name calling.

Even funnier will be watching you all trying to win them back anytime soon.

Not happening!

Baroness Fox, Lord Lebedev, Cummings, top of the covid death leagues etc etc.
It's happening as we speak mate.
Wake up and smell it.

 

[The Light Was Yellow Sir]

Bought nothing Len.

Hilarious that all you dyed in the wool socialists put all your money and faith in the metropolitan elite though as you abandoned the working class with your brexit snobbery and name calling.

Even funnier will be watching you all trying to win them back anytime soon.

Not happening!

I do love the fact that you seem to consider this government as somehow not part of the Metropolitan elite, with the interest of the majority uppermost in their minds, but hey ho.
I must admit though, that last December I thought the bloke was in for 10 years, no problem.
But, as for Labour not winning them back anytime soon, I don’t think they’ll actually need to win them back as I think Boris will just let them go. Closing more libraries and sure start schemes, through council cutbacks whilst enabling HS2 (will trains ever be full again?), giving PPE contracts worth hundreds of millions out to venture capital companies whilst millions lose their jobs. Not delivering oven ready social care reforms, just for starters.
Wait until all those people who decry the ‘feckless unemployed scroungers’ have to claim UC themselves, then wait for 5 weeks to get anything, get treated like crap for claiming and have to then manage on the amount they get. All those talks of ‘benefit lifestyle’ will be put to bed at least, I suppose.

 

[Rascal]

I'll agree with lots of that about austerity but if you think "Labour lost because it didnt support brexit" and that Corbyn wasn't at least as big a factor, then you didn't do much campaigning for Labour.

I did plenty mate, Corbyn was a factor, but Brexit was more of a factor, although you could link the two because of the portrayal of Labours Brexit position of being on the fence being attributed to Corbyn

 

[Ban-jani]

D) most people are doing alright and vote out their own pocket, so would rather stick with the Tory’s

That’s a fair point.

 

[blueinsa]

I do love the fact that you seem to consider this government as somehow not part of the Metropolitan elite, with the interest of the majority uppermost in their minds, but hey ho.

I dont as they all piss in the same, stinking rancid pot but Labour did the almost impossible and that is piss off and frankly abuse its working class northern heartlands and that same heartland let them know it at the ballot box.

It will go down as one of the biggest mistakes in political history.

 

[blueinsa]

I did plenty mate, Corbyn was a factor, but Brexit was more of a factor, although you could link the two because of the portrayal of Labours Brexit position of being on the fence being attributed to Corbyn

Vic spent the entire campaign on the phone to his mates i think, an echo chamber.

Labour lost because of its remain stance and because a lifetime EU sceptic in Corbyn betrayed not only his own beliefs but those of millions of his normally loyal core vote.

 

[Ancient Citizen]

One of lifes big mysteries to me, is why the working class continually vote gainst their own interests.

Judging by what you write and believe mate, it's no surprise why you can't understand
why they do.
You're not alone, many socialists, after seeing their hopes dashed yet again,
also wonder why, O'Brien wonders why, Michael Foot wondered why, all of them do.
What their blind belief doesn't allow for is the possibility they may be wrong,
they see it enacted, see the chaos, the misery, and still they believe, and so they
start their dreary lectures again, and prepare for another futile tilt at it.
And after, they follow up with... Why?

 

[The perfect fumble]

I saw from the inside how Labour staff worked to prevent a Labour government

The work of senior Labour staffers to stop Labour winning is only just starting to come out.

Nearly 5 years ago, Jeremy Corbyn pushed open the doors into the spacious and airy Offices of the Leader of the Opposition, overlooking the River Thames on Victoria Embankment. He already had some suspicions at this point, but he could never have fully comprehended what was being plotted against him less than half a mile away at Labour's headquarters on Victoria Street.

Today is the deadline for submissions to the internal Labour inquiry, chaired by Martin Forde QC, which is examining the past behaviour of former senior party staff. I've just written to the inquiry and these were my experiences.

As one of the first staff appointments in the office of the former Shadow Chancellor, John McDonnell, I worked on the same corridor as Corbyn's team. I was new to the Labour Party, with a background in climate activism, and mostly unaware of all its different political affiliations and factions. This was something I shared with many of my colleagues who also weren’t from the world of machine politics. We were in for quite a shock when we were confronted with the machine of Labour HQ.

When I’d started previous jobs I’d arrive to some kind of handover notes. But when Corbyn and McDonnell walked in on day one, the small team that had joined after working on Corbyn’s leadership campaign turned up to find that someone had prepared for our arrival in a more unconventional way: many of the computers had gone missing and the offices weren’t properly set up.

“The few computers that were in the office were the oldest ones possible and they kept crashing all the time”, a former senior adviser to Jeremy Corbyn tells me. “The situation was so dire that one time after a day on the road with Jeremy I came back to find that a new colleague had taken my screen because he didn't have one.”

The situation in John McDonnell’s offices was even worse. “When we took up the offices they were completely gutted of their contents. There were only half pulled out staples in the walls and bits of blue tack. The desks were without chairs let alone computers and I had to work off my own mobile and laptop”, my former colleague James Mills, who was John McDonnell’s Head of Communications, remembers all too well.

I don't remember anyone ever getting to the bottom of where the computers had disappeared to. But the responsibility for ensuring the offices were set up was Labour HQ’s and this was to be a first warning sign.

Some of the behaviour of senior officials at Labour HQ has already been documented in the 860-page leaked Labour report. But there’s a lot more that went on behind the scenes and I think it’s important that people have the whole story.

Another constant battle that took place was over the hiring of staff. Almost every appointment was either delayed, frustrated or blocked by Labour HQ, which had control of the party's finances. “A full year into Jeremy's leadership, we still only had around 16 members of staff which was about half the amount compared to when Ed Miliband was leader”, the former senior Corbyn adviser tells me. James Meadway, a former treasury economist and chief economist at the New Economics Foundation, had to be seconded from one of the trade unions to serve as Economic Advisor in McDonnell’s team after the party repeatedly refused to hire him.

Relationships were so strained that colleagues would regularly turn up to meetings with party staff, get back to their desks, and be left feeling horrified on learning that the contents of the meeting had already been leaked to journalists. This became a major headache as it was almost impossible to plan effectively without the ability to share vital information between the leader’s office and party HQ. Senior aides close to Corbyn were regularly forced to withhold information on policy announcements until the very last minute for fear of leaks.

This fear had the effect of putting most people on edge and helped contribute to an office in a justified state of paranoia.

It was in these early days that one Corbyn aide aptly renamed the party's HQ from its official name – Southside – to the 'Darkside', a term which quickly caught on – reinforcing a sense of them and us.

The most shocking sabotage I personally witnessed was an encounter with the notoriously difficult regional offices who were often the most ideologically opposed to the Corbyn regime. At my request, attempts were made to organise a rally for John McDonnell via one of the regional offices. Given that John was one of the most senior members of the shadow cabinet, I expected my request to be met with enthusiasm.

When I found out that the location they had chosen was in the middle of nowhere I was left flabbergasted. I was told this tactic had been used before – apparently to avoid lots of members showing up and being won round by the new regime.

There were hundreds more incidents like this that I'm aware of; press releases regularly blocked from going out, staff members briefing against Corbyn's office, weekly planning grids leaked including the 2019 General Election grid, an almost constant refusal to share content on the party's social media platforms and the coordination of staff resignations to damage the party. As a political first, the party’s 2017 manifesto was also infamously leaked.

Perhaps the most kafkaesque example is the bizarre story of party officials designing Facebook adverts to be seen by only Corbyn’s team. A party official helpfully explained the strategy to the Sunday Times:

“They wanted us to spend a fortune on some schemes like the one they had to encourage voter registration, but we only had to spend about £5,000 to make sure Jeremy’s people, some journalists and bloggers saw it was there on Facebook. And if it was there for them, they thought it must be there for everyone. It wasn’t.”

It gets worse. On the night of the 2017 General Election I was in the press team at the party's HQ. I’ll never forget the deathly silence and the looks on the faces of those staffers that we knew to have been plotting against Corbyn since day one. While we celebrated robbing Theresa May of her majority, party staffers mourned in the room next door: “they are cheering and we are silent and grey faced. Opposite to what I had been working towards for the last couple of years!!”, one senior staffer allegedly wrote on WhatsApp that night, according to the leaked report.

They were so confident Corbyn was going to do badly that just before the exit poll results came in, all of Corbyn’s staff had their access to Labour HQ revoked.

It's important to note that all of the key staff implicated have already moved on from working for the party. But the Forde Inquiry must heed the outcry and astonishment from many of the party's half a million members. For the inquiry's recommendations to be seen as credible, a lifetime ban for these former Labour staffers has got to be the bare minimum.

Jeremy Corbyn may have been ideologically further away from his fellow Labour MPs than any former leader, but that doesn't justify the relentless nature of the attacks. What Corbyn and his team had to deal with behind the scenes went far beyond factionalism and showed a scorched-earth mentality. Not only did they not want Labour to win under Corbyn, they seemed to be actively trying to lose.

Once the dust finally settles on the Corbyn-era, historians may ponder how different things might have been if these Labour staffers, and numerous Labour MPs, had spent their energies supporting their leader rather than working against him.

The number of extra votes in marginal seats that Labour needed in 2017 to give Corbyn a chance of being prime minister was an agonising 2,227. This will forever remain a sore point for many of us. Because as the leaked report exposed – we know that in 2017 party resources never reached many of the winnable seats that they should have, with allies of the small faction in party HQ standing in safe seats seen as the first priority.

We were a young and diverse team, mostly new to electoral politics and passionate about our jobs. Of course we made mistakes. But we came incredibly close to changing this country’s politics for good. Without the actions of this small group of highly experienced saboteurs, I genuinely believe we would now be three years into a Labour government investing in our NHS and public services – an outcome which surely would have better prepared the country for the Coronavirus pandemic.

https://www.opendemocracy.net/en/op...abour-staff-worked-prevent-labour-government/

 

[blueinsa]

I saw from the inside how Labour staff worked to prevent a Labour government

The work of senior Labour staffers to stop Labour winning is only just starting to come out.

Nearly 5 years ago, Jeremy Corbyn pushed open the doors into the spacious and airy Offices of the Leader of the Opposition, overlooking the River Thames on Victoria Embankment. He already had some suspicions at this point, but he could never have fully comprehended what was being plotted against him less than half a mile away at Labour's headquarters on Victoria Street.

Today is the deadline for submissions to the internal Labour inquiry, chaired by Martin Forde QC, which is examining the past behaviour of former senior party staff. I've just written to the inquiry and these were my experiences.

As one of the first staff appointments in the office of the former Shadow Chancellor, John McDonnell, I worked on the same corridor as Corbyn's team. I was new to the Labour Party, with a background in climate activism, and mostly unaware of all its different political affiliations and factions. This was something I shared with many of my colleagues who also weren’t from the world of machine politics. We were in for quite a shock when we were confronted with the machine of Labour HQ.

When I’d started previous jobs I’d arrive to some kind of handover notes. But when Corbyn and McDonnell walked in on day one, the small team that had joined after working on Corbyn’s leadership campaign turned up to find that someone had prepared for our arrival in a more unconventional way: many of the computers had gone missing and the offices weren’t properly set up.

“The few computers that were in the office were the oldest ones possible and they kept crashing all the time”, a former senior adviser to Jeremy Corbyn tells me. “The situation was so dire that one time after a day on the road with Jeremy I came back to find that a new colleague had taken my screen because he didn't have one.”

The situation in John McDonnell’s offices was even worse. “When we took up the offices they were completely gutted of their contents. There were only half pulled out staples in the walls and bits of blue tack. The desks were without chairs let alone computers and I had to work off my own mobile and laptop”, my former colleague James Mills, who was John McDonnell’s Head of Communications, remembers all too well.

I don't remember anyone ever getting to the bottom of where the computers had disappeared to. But the responsibility for ensuring the offices were set up was Labour HQ’s and this was to be a first warning sign.

Some of the behaviour of senior officials at Labour HQ has already been documented in the 860-page leaked Labour report. But there’s a lot more that went on behind the scenes and I think it’s important that people have the whole story.

Another constant battle that took place was over the hiring of staff. Almost every appointment was either delayed, frustrated or blocked by Labour HQ, which had control of the party's finances. “A full year into Jeremy's leadership, we still only had around 16 members of staff which was about half the amount compared to when Ed Miliband was leader”, the former senior Corbyn adviser tells me. James Meadway, a former treasury economist and chief economist at the New Economics Foundation, had to be seconded from one of the trade unions to serve as Economic Advisor in McDonnell’s team after the party repeatedly refused to hire him.

Relationships were so strained that colleagues would regularly turn up to meetings with party staff, get back to their desks, and be left feeling horrified on learning that the contents of the meeting had already been leaked to journalists. This became a major headache as it was almost impossible to plan effectively without the ability to share vital information between the leader’s office and party HQ. Senior aides close to Corbyn were regularly forced to withhold information on policy announcements until the very last minute for fear of leaks.

This fear had the effect of putting most people on edge and helped contribute to an office in a justified state of paranoia.

It was in these early days that one Corbyn aide aptly renamed the party's HQ from its official name – Southside – to the 'Darkside', a term which quickly caught on – reinforcing a sense of them and us.

The most shocking sabotage I personally witnessed was an encounter with the notoriously difficult regional offices who were often the most ideologically opposed to the Corbyn regime. At my request, attempts were made to organise a rally for John McDonnell via one of the regional offices. Given that John was one of the most senior members of the shadow cabinet, I expected my request to be met with enthusiasm.

When I found out that the location they had chosen was in the middle of nowhere I was left flabbergasted. I was told this tactic had been used before – apparently to avoid lots of members showing up and being won round by the new regime.

There were hundreds more incidents like this that I'm aware of; press releases regularly blocked from going out, staff members briefing against Corbyn's office, weekly planning grids leaked including the 2019 General Election grid, an almost constant refusal to share content on the party's social media platforms and the coordination of staff resignations to damage the party. As a political first, the party’s 2017 manifesto was also infamously leaked.

Perhaps the most kafkaesque example is the bizarre story of party officials designing Facebook adverts to be seen by only Corbyn’s team. A party official helpfully explained the strategy to the Sunday Times:

“They wanted us to spend a fortune on some schemes like the one they had to encourage voter registration, but we only had to spend about £5,000 to make sure Jeremy’s people, some journalists and bloggers saw it was there on Facebook. And if it was there for them, they thought it must be there for everyone. It wasn’t.”

It gets worse. On the night of the 2017 General Election I was in the press team at the party's HQ. I’ll never forget the deathly silence and the looks on the faces of those staffers that we knew to have been plotting against Corbyn since day one. While we celebrated robbing Theresa May of her majority, party staffers mourned in the room next door: “they are cheering and we are silent and grey faced. Opposite to what I had been working towards for the last couple of years!!”, one senior staffer allegedly wrote on WhatsApp that night, according to the leaked report.

They were so confident Corbyn was going to do badly that just before the exit poll results came in, all of Corbyn’s staff had their access to Labour HQ revoked.

It's important to note that all of the key staff implicated have already moved on from working for the party. But the Forde Inquiry must heed the outcry and astonishment from many of the party's half a million members. For the inquiry's recommendations to be seen as credible, a lifetime ban for these former Labour staffers has got to be the bare minimum.

Jeremy Corbyn may have been ideologically further away from his fellow Labour MPs than any former leader, but that doesn't justify the relentless nature of the attacks. What Corbyn and his team had to deal with behind the scenes went far beyond factionalism and showed a scorched-earth mentality. Not only did they not want Labour to win under Corbyn, they seemed to be actively trying to lose.

Once the dust finally settles on the Corbyn-era, historians may ponder how different things might have been if these Labour staffers, and numerous Labour MPs, had spent their energies supporting their leader rather than working against him.

The number of extra votes in marginal seats that Labour needed in 2017 to give Corbyn a chance of being prime minister was an agonising 2,227. This will forever remain a sore point for many of us. Because as the leaked report exposed – we know that in 2017 party resources never reached many of the winnable seats that they should have, with allies of the small faction in party HQ standing in safe seats seen as the first priority.

We were a young and diverse team, mostly new to electoral politics and passionate about our jobs. Of course we made mistakes. But we came incredibly close to changing this country’s politics for good. Without the actions of this small group of highly experienced saboteurs, I genuinely believe we would now be three years into a Labour government investing in our NHS and public services – an outcome which surely would have better prepared the country for the Coronavirus pandemic.

https://www.opendemocracy.net/en/op...abour-staff-worked-prevent-labour-government/

They didn't stand at the booth diverting over 2 million labour voters to vote Tory mate.

 

[PannickAtTheDisco]

it's funny how a left wingers narrative always swings to "us and them, persecution, oppression, victims". Just can't help themselves.

Not, "we weren't popular because our ideology is warped and we didn't have the foresight, tactical nous, intelligence and where-with-all to run and manage things properly, which is why our policies end up shit and unpopular and we lose. Our bad".