Keir Starmer

[threespires]

While I wholeheartedly agree that Johnson is indeed a whopper and a ****, I've refrained from liking this post because I don't believe anyone should ever feel ashamed for voting for someone who then goes on to prove to be a total let down. I remember @Rascal saying something similar a while back about voting for Blair in 2001, and then wishing he hadn't because we invaded Iraq a couple of years later. I said the same to Russ - he had no way of knowing what was going to happen further down the line when he cast his vote for Blair so there's absolutely no point in beating one self up about it.

Politics will always be like this. At some point in our lives, many of us will have the experience of voting for something or someone then wish we hadn't. For the record, I voted for Brexit (wish I hadn't) but I didn't vote for Johnson because there were clear red lines in the run up to the election. The main one being when he unlawfully prorogued parliament. That set huge alarm bells ringing, although I wasn't too enamoured with him before that and was unlikely to vote for him anyway. Unfortunately, none of the other candidates did it for me either. Like you, I've also got red lines about Corbyn, and the Lib Dems (my go to option in 2015 and 2017 because the 2 main parties were pissing me off) were off the table as Swinson's threat to simply cancel Brexit without even putting it to a second referendum (something I was open to as I'd long since lost faith in Brexit) just didn't sit right with me. I still turned up at the polling station though and scrawled "NONE" across my ballot paper in big fuck off letters!

I agree it serves no purpose to be piling into people who were in effect lied too and I think people who show themselves capable of changing their minds are to be applauded at a time when there's many forces encouraging people to double down on views rather than be open.

The interesting thing about Johnson it that there was lots of evidence in the public domain that clearly pointed to the fact that he was utterly untrustworthy and unfit for office but he/they managed to obscure this in a sea of bullshit and deflection that in past eras he would probably not have been able to. It's off topic of this thread but we are well and truly living in the age of disinformation and division as a business model and unless we can find a way out of it we are in deep shit.

 

[bobmcfc]

I think the X factor has fucked up how this country sees voting.

You don’t vote for the best person, you vote for the most entertaining.

Therefore both chart music and politics are full of the wrong sort of people.

That's exactly how I think it is. I don't pretend to have a great knowledge of politics but I said ages ago that too many people now support a political party like it's their football team. Arguing with the other side for the sake of tribalism and it's shocking. See many of the worst of them with flags in their Twitter handles and it actually feels like they are paid to jump on any Tory/Boris negativity brought up.
I'm sure Starmer isn't perfect and there will 100% be things I won't agree with but my whole 41 years on this planet, despite all their chances and years in power I can honestly say the Conservatives have never done anything I can point to that has been beneficial for working class families like mine. I've never seen any kind of levelling or lifting. Feels like they rob from the poor to make up all their giving to the rich.

 

[BrianW]

I'll freely admit, I don't like Keir Starmer.
However, compared to Boris Johnson he is St.Francis of Assisi. And our realistic choice of PM is between these men. I would vote for Alex Ferguson or Jurgen Klopp if it meant getting rid of Johnson.

 

[west didsblue]

I'll freely admit, I don't like Keir Starmer.
However, compared to Boris Johnson he is St.Francis of Assisi. And our realistic choice of PM is between these men. I would vote for Alex Ferguson or Jurgen Klopp if it meant getting rid of Johnson.

Out of interest why don't you like him?

 

[BrianW]

Out of interest why don't you like him?

I find him dull, uninspiring and devoid of any obvious policy initiatives. Frankly, I have no idea what he stands for, except being 'Not Tory'. On a more positive note, he does exude an air of vague competence and relative honesty, which puts him above Johnson.

 

[The Future’s Blue!]

I find him dull, uninspiring and devoid of any obvious policy initiatives. Frankly, I have no idea what he stands for, except being 'Not Tory'. On a more positive note, he does exude an air of vague competence and relative honesty, which puts him above Johnson.

When it comes to politics, dull is exactly what I want, mate.

Interesting you say about policy initiatives and how Labour seem devoid of them yet Starmer, and his front bench, have been pushing lots of policies that don’t really get the news that they deserve. His lastest was to pull money from massive profits the energy company’s were making to offset higher bills for the working family. That’s a huge policy but those who could make a big deal for it in the media don’t want to see it as their owners are very much in the ’Keep our people rich, keep your people poor’.

We are nearing a period where we are going to see the worst conditions this country has seen since the 70s and before that, the WWII. At least after WWII people pulled together, these days, with all the divisiveness, people will pull further apart.

 

[Two Gun Bob]

When it comes to politics, dull is exactly what I want, mate.

Interesting you say about policy initiatives and how Labour seem devoid of them yet Starmer, and his front bench, have been pushing lots of policies that don’t really get the news that they deserve. His lastest was to pull money from massive profits the energy company’s were making to offset higher bills for the working family. That’s a huge policy but those who could make a big deal for it in the media don’t want to see it as their owners are very much in the ’Keep our people rich, keep your people poor’.

We are nearing a period where we are going to see the worst conditions this country has seen since the 70s and before that, the WWII. At least after WWII people pulled together, these days, with all the divisiveness, people will pull further apart.

I see him as a politician trying to break the mold by distancing himself from those rabid left wing obsenities, therefore more power to his Dull Elbow. Yours sincerly .. Currently Dissillusioned.

Cometh the hour cometh the man and I actually think he has a sniff and aura of moral decency that would for once make me get off my blue backside and mark an X in that alternate box.

I'm sick to my stomach of the deceipt that currently infests and pervades every sinew of my being from a corrupt governance that cares little for it's electorate .. so maybe it is time for change .. we shall see.

 

[Rascal]

I see him as a man trying to break the mold by distancing himself from those rabid left wing obsenities,

Why is it that distancing yourself from the "rabid left" is admirable for Starmer, but nobody ever asks Johnson to distance himself from the "rabid right"

We live in a country where it is now acceptable to be a Libertarian fuckwit, but not acceptable to be a Socialist.

 

[The Future’s Blue!]

I see him as a man trying to break the mold by distancing himself from those rabid left wing obsenities, therefore more power to his Dull Elbow. Yours sincerly .. Currently Dissillusioned.

Cometh the hour cometh the man and I actually think he has a sniff and aura of moral decency that would for once make me get off my blue backside and mark an X in that alternate box.

I'm sick to my stomach of the deceipt that currently infests and pervades every sinew of my being from a corrupt governance that cares little for it's electorate .. so maybe it is time for change .. we shall see.

Strong views, good to see people being engaged.

 

[mat]

Must he getting boring for Starmer in PMQs now.

Asks a question about fraud which Johnson agrees. Then follows up with all the fraud being allowed by him and Sunak.