Keir Starmer

Another reason Corbyn should have resigned immediately. He's just had to appoint an Englishman (Tony Lloyd) to serve as shadow Scottish secretary because the only Scottish guy they have in the party won't do the role under Corbyn. The SNP will tear Labour apart over this and use it to stoke up more anti-English sentiment. Just when you thought Corbyn couldn't cost Labour any more votes.
 
Chippy_boy said:
That's simply not true. Debt was *necessarily* going to increase, because when the Tories took over, it was increasing at £150bn per year (i.e. the deficit was £150bn) and you cannot simply stop that immediately or the cuts would have been dramatically more severe. obviously. Now you may wish to argue that the deficit might have been eliminated sooner by spending more, (good luck with that argument) but you cannot claim that because debt has gone up, austerity hasn't worked. Debt was going to go up no matter what we did.
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Okay then, we'll go off the targets for public debt that both Osbourne and Hammond set. None. As for the spending to get out of debt argument, I'll pass that one over to Keynes, who I have a tonne of time for. It was his ideas on public spending that lead to what many consider the golden age of modern britain. The public sector should be a motor for the economy, not just reacting to it.
 
bluejon said:
Okay then, we'll go off the targets for public debt that both Osbourne and Hammond set. None. As for the spending to get out of debt argument, I'll pass that one over to Keynes, who I have a tonne of time for. It was his ideas on public spending that lead to what many consider the golden age of modern britain. The public sector should be a motor for the economy, not just reacting to it.
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The problem with Keynes and Labour is they love the spending in hard times but can never put aside while the sun shines. I think they call it Keynes part II whatever the circumstance tax and borrow. Can’t help themselves.
 
It gets boring being right all the time.....

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And coming up on the rails.
 
The perfect fumble said:
It gets boring being right all the time.....

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And coming up on the rails.
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Won’t happen I’ve mentioned him a few times and I know you have been banging the drum for ages. It’s the right choice but

He is too bright
He doesn’t have a vagina
He doesn’t look like the woman at the meat counter at Middleton Asda
He’s not wearing a flat cap
He’s not shouty enough so simple Northern folk will see this as uncaring
He doesn’t say misogyny and social justice every other word
 
mexico1970 said:
She's helped alienate the working class employing her as the leader of the Labour party isn't just a mistake it would prove they haven't listened to their culturally core voters.
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Look Boris Johnson alienated working class, muslims, blacks and homosexuals before he became PM and you know what here he was then voted in by working class, muslims, blacks and homosexuals on a big fat stonking majority. The public are thick as fuck and wouldn't give a shit anyway if they like her and how she comes across all that white van shit will be forgotton just lke Johnson's laughed off. BTW you do know that Thornbury was brought up by a single mother on a council estate?
 
Mike D said:
Look Boris Johnson alienated working class, muslims, blacks and homosexuals before he became PM and you know what here he was then voted in by working class, muslims, blacks and homosexuals on a big fat stonking majority. The public are thick as fuck and wouldn't give a shit anyway if they like her and how she comes across all that white van shit will be forgotton just lke Johnson's laughed off. BTW you do know that Thornbury was brought up by a single mother on a council estate?
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Surround by the thick public no doubt:-) in fairness that doesn’t mean much as it can work either way. She isn’t very likeable I’m afraid so should be avoided as a leader.
 
Mike D said:
Look Boris Johnson alienated working class, muslims, blacks and homosexuals before he became PM and you know what here he was then voted in by working class, muslims, blacks and homosexuals on a big fat stonking majority. The public are thick as fuck and wouldn't give a shit anyway if they like her and how she comes across all that white van shit will be forgotton just lke Johnson's laughed off. BTW you do know that Thornbury was brought up by a single mother on a council estate?
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I don't believe that you have got it, Labour will remain unelectable if they have the mindset you are displaying is carried out by the party. Instead of flinging shit at the Tories try capturing the working class votes that Labour have haemorrhaged. The working class voted the Tories in and they have sent a message to Labour you need to listen.
 
Mike D said:
Look Boris Johnson alienated working class, muslims, blacks and homosexuals before he became PM and you know what here he was then voted in by working class, muslims, blacks and homosexuals on a big fat stonking majority. The public are thick as fuck and wouldn't give a shit anyway if they like her and how she comes across all that white van shit will be forgotton just lke Johnson's laughed off. BTW you do know that Thornbury was brought up by a single mother on a council estate?
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There's a difference between Boris Johnson saying 'the working class are feckless' and then promising policies that they want (on Brexit etc) and then Thornberry, Lewis et al (who've made similar remarks) but promising policies that the working class, by and large, do not want.

I think the 2019 result shows the working class aren't as thick as you make out (Brexit supporting towns voting for Brexit supporting parties) although that's not to say Johnson won't renege on a lot of his promises that he's made to them.
 
Mike D said:
And that is exactly why Thornbury fits the bill she will do both as a lawyer she has the attention to detail on policy and as child brought by a single parent on a council estate she has the character to take on Johnson. More importantly she will be the first Labour leader with the characteristics to appeal to the electorate as a smarty gutsy character who takes no shit.
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Ideal credentials for a Leader. Unfortunately more for a construction site rather than a political party
 
hilts said:
Surround by the thick public no doubt:-) in fairness that doesn’t mean much as it can work either way. She isn’t very likeable I’m afraid so should be avoided as a leader.
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Because you don't like her that's what you mean?
 
Fame Monster said:
There's a difference between Boris Johnson saying 'the working class are feckless' and then promising policies that they want (on Brexit etc) and then Thornberry, Lewis et al (who've made similar remarks) but promising policies that the working class, by and large, do not want.

He has already reneged the £10 minimum wage it now has a condition atached. As I said the general public are fickle thick as fuck just like Trump you have the right cuntish character you can get away with it. I firmly believe she has that ruthlessness to succeed and characterization to win folk over. They l

I think the 2019 result shows the working class aren't as thick as you make out (Brexit supporting towns voting for Brexit supporting parties) although that's not to say Johnson won't renege on a lot of his promises that he's made to them.
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plongo said:
Ideal credentials for a Leader. Unfortunately more for a construction site rather than a political party
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She is a lawyer and would wipe the floor with you me and that shit house Johnson
 
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