Yeah you're a funny guy I admit.He is going to need a bigger flame to stop you being duped so easily. If only everyone could see how right he is. Must be terribly frustrating.
Maybe that's why we need more eu immigration they don't possess the British duped gene.
Just think with more Europeans settling and mating with the British evolution can take it's course and in 300000000 years Labour will get in. Put another log on the fire comrade.
OK I'll accept your view on me and the Labour party. Now tell me what do the Conservative party know about the working class?'Duped,' Lol. So, by inference, people keep getting duped because they're stupid, bovine, and refusing to see sense hey?
You know nothing about working class people I'm afraid mate, nothing whatsoever, you're not alone, the present Labour party
knows nothing about them either.
They can persist in 'Telling them as it is,' the problem is, what they're telling them isn't how it is.
They know that workers like to keep most of what they earn. They know that Brits don't take kindly to the likesOK I'll accept your view on me and the Labour party. Now tell me what do the Conservative party know about the working class?
Yeah you're a funny guy I admit.
The Left routinely demonises the likes of Google and Amazon. The right demonises people working the benefits system and the workshy.
The majority of us are affected by the first group's tax avoidance far more than the latter group's behaviour.
Everyone would like to keep more of what they earn. The problem is that the majority of people use public goods. Roads,hospitals, schools,the police and so on. If you keep more of your money these things are not funded properly, eventually they become privatised and we end up paying more for these services than we save from our reduced tax.They know that workers like to keep most of what they earn. They know that Brits don't take kindly to the likes
of Corbyn, someone who personifies the left's disdain of patriotism. They know that if the economy is run properly,
jobs ensue. They understand that working folk are not stupid, and won't fall for the hysterical nonsense that tells them
that 14 million of them are living in poverty, if they were they wouldn't vote Conservative, would they?
Stuff like that, really.
Yes, I know what needs to be spent and why, and in my opinion, the source of that funding is balanced about right.Everyone would like to keep more of what they earn. The problem is that the majority of people use public goods. Roads,hospitals, schools,the police and so on. If you keep more of your money these things are not funded properly, eventually they become privatised and we end up paying more for these services than we save from our reduced tax.
As for your last point there are plenty of examples of people voting in right parties despite collapsing economies.
Yes, I know what needs to be spent and why, and in my opinion, the source of that funding is balanced about right.
It's been proven time and again that if tax rates increase beyond a certain median, they start to fall, Labour never
seem to get this. On your last point, the economy is far from collapsing, anything but, which is another (big) reason
working people voted for the Tories.
I'm not sure you could lay that at davids door more than anyone else,he would have won us an election i'm sure of thatDavid Milliband like Blair was in it to feather his own nest. Now for me that's fine if you're a Tory, that's what they are all about, but surely the Labour party should select a leader who believes in something slightly more noble.
I'm not sure you could lay that at davids door more than anyone else,he would have won us an election i'm sure of that
You're right and I wasn't picking on him specifically. But it does raise the point about MPs' impartiality. If most of them are being subsidised,way beyond their salaries; are they serving the people or corporate interests.?
It may be. But Milliband's money wasn't coming from unions.Unions? I think it’s a big bad world fella
It may be. But Milliband's money wasn't coming from unions.
In more general terms the unions played a bigger role in our lives 40 years ago. Now they are a sideshow. We are at the mercy of finance capital.
Or pass the tickling stick. You have to question the intelligence of recommending someone who isn't just a CorbynMcCluskey on Sky just now talking about his choice "Becky".
Pass the fucking sick bucket.
Even better than choosing her though is him anointing Burgon as deputy. Vacuous doesn’t even begin to describe him....McCluskey on Sky just now talking about his choice "Becky".
Pass the fucking sick bucket.
OK I'll accept your view on me and the Labour party. Now tell me what do the Conservative party know about the working class?
Agreed - there are a number of traditional Labour voters on here - exactly the sort needed to be convinced to come back if Labour are to win an election - we try and discuss this and only get abuse generally.I know but you help put the right in power we need a solution not a protest group. I was genuinely mortified the Tories got in and the size of the majority was a further kick in the bollocks. Rome wasn't built in a day is the phrase but Labour promise to have it done by Thursday and they become a bit of a joke.
The majority are to the left of the Tories you need to grab them and then move them. A more socialist European/scandavian model can be sold if it's done with a lot of thought.
If through a long period of austerity you still lose badly(part brexit accepted) then ask yourself what calamity would need to happen to the middle for them to vote for this type of Labour?