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Keir Starmer
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BlueAnorak
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Did well today. Being critical whilst being supportive is a tough act but the only way to get Labour back from the wilderness
BlueAnorak
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2000 specifiicly distributed votes away from being the largest party with the ability to form a coalition.2000 votes away in 2017.
If the bastards who get a touch on for the amazing Tony pulled their weight he'd be about to enter his third year.
Miles away from being able to form a government.
Shaelumstash
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The only way to get the Tories out is to start offering alternatives to the people who voted for them.Yes, the media fulsome in its praise of Starmer, I am sure tea with Murdoch will be next and then a red carpet visit to the Daily Heil.
Makes me sick
Unfortunately, not many of them read the Mirror or The Guardian. If a few people in the MSM write positively about Starmer, it’s a good thing for democracy.
Briggs1969
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Daily Heil! ha ha very good.Yes, the media fulsome in its praise of Starmer, I am sure tea with Murdoch will be next and then a red carpet visit to the Daily Heil.
Makes me sick
dave_blue12
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The media narrative with PMQ's praising Starmer and not picking on his weaknesses. Corbyn asking the same questions would have been accused of politicising and being unpatriotic.
We could well have a labour government in 5 years time if this nicey nicey policy continues. It will only be in name only. NEC and leadership controlled by the centre right. The silence from the media over this and the report is telling.
Urban Genie has nailed it. Same policies just different colour rosettes.
If you truly believe that a future Labour Government under KS would be no different from the current incumbents then you have lost the plot and I feel sorry for you.
This current Tory Government are without doubt the lowest of the low.
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If you truly believe that a future Labour Government under KS would be no different from the current incumbents then you have lost the plot and I feel sorry for you.
This current Tory Government are without doubt the lowest of the low.
I agree we have a shower of selfish, sociopathic bastards in power. The way the media fawn over Starmer I can see a labour election victory but they won’t implement anything in the 2017 referendum just very watered down policies so the corporates don’t get mad.
dave_blue12
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I agree we have a shower of selfish, sociopathic bastards in power. The way the media fawn over Starmer I can see a labour election victory but they won’t implement anything in the 2017 referendum just very watered down policies so the corporates don’t get mad.
That would be a massive step forward for this country.
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I’ll be relieved if I get to see another labour government. It’s difficult for me to let go and accept a new labour reboot.That would be a massive step forward for this country.
Shaelumstash
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10 years and 4 election twattings from a diabolical Tory government. It’s time to let go.I’ll be relieved if I get to see another labour government. It’s difficult for me to let go and accept a new labour reboot.
Look at the damage the Tory’s have done and continue to do.
It’s a binary choice - more of the same, or a moderate Labour government who believe in a strong economy and social justice.
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I keep hearing this word "moderate" I have yet to hear what exactly "moderate" is. Is it meek acceptance of neo-liberalism and Imperialism, is it meek acceptance of austerity and the status quo of the owner of capital exploiting the working class for their own gain. If that is moderate, you may as well just vote for the Tories because they promise you all that anyway, the wooden box Starmer will meekly accept that and probably throw in a pro EU stance for good measure anyway. That will be the only difference between the parties, their stance on the EU and that leaves people like me with no fucker to vote, because "moderate" is exactly what we don't need, we need to a radical overhaul of society and a new way of looking at capitalism so that it serves the people not those with the capital.
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I keep hearing this word "moderate" I have yet to hear what exactly "moderate" is. Is it meek acceptance of neo-liberalism and Imperialism, is it meek acceptance of austerity and the status quo of the owner of capital exploiting the working class for their own gain. If that is moderate, you may as well just vote for the Tories because they promise you all that anyway, the wooden box Starmer will meekly accept that and probably throw in a pro EU stance for good measure anyway. That will be the only difference between the parties, their stance on the EU and that leaves people like me with no fucker to vote, because "moderate" is exactly what we don't need, we need to a radical overhaul of society and a new way of looking at capitalism so that it serves the people not those with the capital.
They did vote Tory because they didn’t fancy what the other guy was selling
Labour need to be in power and win the hearts and minds of the public. Only then can they control the narrative and even think about radical change
Either that or keep watching the Tories win and shout from the sidelines
Too many people in the Labour Party and claiming to suport them who are hypocrites of the first order - shouting about how despicable members are for not getting fully behind someone as leader when it is their guy but doing exactly that when the leader isn't their guy. On both sides.
It is pathetic and exactly what this most right wing of governments, ruining the lives of millions, have wet dreams about.
It is pathetic and exactly what this most right wing of governments, ruining the lives of millions, have wet dreams about.
Shaelumstash
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You could always vote for George Galloway?I keep hearing this word "moderate" I have yet to hear what exactly "moderate" is. Is it meek acceptance of neo-liberalism and Imperialism, is it meek acceptance of austerity and the status quo of the owner of capital exploiting the working class for their own gain. If that is moderate, you may as well just vote for the Tories because they promise you all that anyway, the wooden box Starmer will meekly accept that and probably throw in a pro EU stance for good measure anyway. That will be the only difference between the parties, their stance on the EU and that leaves people like me with no fucker to vote, because "moderate" is exactly what we don't need, we need to a radical overhaul of society and a new way of looking at capitalism so that it serves the people not those with the capital.
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For the record, whilst I am making a fleeting visit.
My Labour party membership is in the bin, I have left the party or more accurately I have left because I am fucked off with the right wing of the Labour party with their middle class metropolitan outlook and pro-European stance. The party is fucked and I cannot support a wooden box like Starmer who was one of the architects of the Labour defeat with his kowtowing to the FBFE fruitcakes.
We had a glimmer of hope under Corbyn of a Socialist future where people mattered, now we have a Tory chancellor enacting classical Keynesian methodology and being applauded for it by all and sundry whilst when Labour proposed the same, the right wing of the Labour party opposed it and stuck with its Blairite neo-liberal obsession.
For all of you who opposed Corbyn and Socialism, you got what you deserved, one of the most inept catastrophic governments in our history lead by a narcissistic clown who is an embarrassment to our country.
I hope everyone is keeping safe, I hope you are all making some sort of sense out of the idiotic approach to this pandemic that Johnson and his fools have taken and I hope you all stay well and keep smiling.
On the bright side we are still Champions, and I am off to rejoin the CPGB
I loved Corbyn. I voted Corbyn.
I got swept up in the Momentum wave.
After that election - my whole view point changed, fuck Momentum - I see them now as I do the same way I see extreme on the right wing side, totally biased, anti and ugly.
Labour have to move central to win and with Keir Starmer they have a chance.
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I loved Corbyn. I voted Corbyn.
I got swept up in the Momentum wave.
After that election - my whole view point changed, fuck Momentum - I see them now as I do the same way I see extreme on the right wing side, totally biased, anti and ugly.
Labour have to move central to win and with Keir Starmer they have a chance.
All the two major parties need to do is have a leader that relates to most of the population. It has be forever thus. The close to the centre helps, but charisma and intelligence are the most important thingsl
urban genie
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I loved Corbyn. I voted Corbyn.
I got swept up in the Momentum wave.
After that election - my whole view point changed, fuck Momentum - I see them now as I do the same way I see extreme on the right wing side, totally biased, anti and ugly.
Labour have to move central to win and with Keir Starmer they have a chance.
We really don't, he is bland, won't inspire those that doorstep and campaign relentlessly and has Liz fucking Kendall already doing the media spots ffs.
Up to now his judgement has been poor on a few things, and some appointment unispiring mainly to placate the PLP and LHQ who were one of our biggest problems the last 5 years with their factionalism.
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We really don't, he is bland, won't inspire those that doorstep and campaign relentlessly and has Liz fucking Kendall already doing the media spots ffs.
Up to now his judgement has been poor on a few things, and some appointment unispiring mainly to placate the PLP and LHQ who were one of our biggest problems the last 5 years with their factionalism.
Don't you think that rubbishing the newly elected leader of your own party on petty, internal matters that are of little concern to the wìder electorate (not saying they have no importance but the electorate as a whole aren't bothered about internal Labour appointments) and obviously being opposed to him is also an example of factionalism?
Given that very similar attitudes in the other direction were (with some justification) cited as such when Cornyn was elected leader?
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From the review of PMQs in one paper
"but if Labour had to choose someone well suited to parliament in serious/boring mode, it is hard to imagine anyone better than Starmer, and he will chalk today’s outing up, not as a triumph, but certainly as a success. His questions were clear, forensic and focused, he avoided bland or trite sloganising and he adopted a measured tone consistent with responsible, constructive opposition"
Very much a leader is Starmer. Head and shoulders above Corbyn.
It seems we now may finally have a competent opposition to the government, could be the best thing to have happened to Labour in recent times.
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Very much a leader is Starmer. Head and shoulders above Corbyn.
It seems we now may finally have a competent opposition to the government, could be the best thing to have happened to Labour in recent times.
If anyone’s going to ruin his chances - it’s the momentum Labour supporters - and that will be very frustrating for those that want an end to Tory power.