Keir Starmer

[Ancient Citizen]

If anyone’s going to ruin his chances - it’s the momentum Labour supporters - and that will be very frustrating for those that want an end to Tory power.

Agreed, if he can expunge the party of Lansman and his crew he could have a chance, but
his selection of shadow ministers isn't too inspiring.

 

[Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese]

Only way for Labour to win power in the short /medium term is to be centrist, the other way is to stay left wing, and just chill for another ten years until the public tires of voting conservative and realises they need a change of policy rather than just a new face. The danger for them with this is that it opens up the center for the lib dems. Difficult choice between turning into something the rw feel comfortable voting for, or the long term risk of not selling out.

 

[Prestwich_Blue]

Either that or keep watching the Tories win and shout from the sidelines

That's what the Corbyn cultists would rather do though. It gives them purpose & meaning to shout slogans from the sidelines.

 

[Alex - City Matters]

That's what the Corbyn cultists would rather do though. It gives them purpose & meaning to shout slogans from the sidelines.

They're more bothered about winning the argument than winning the ballot.

 

[Ancient Citizen]

They're more bothered about winning the argument than winning the ballot.

That's true, but the problem is, they always lose both.

 

[Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese]

Always seems to be more interest and contribution to this thread from the rw than the left?

 

[The perfect fumble]

That's what the Corbyn cultists would rather do though. It gives them purpose & meaning to shout slogans from the sidelines.

Glass houses.

#EnoughisEnough

We now know paid Labour Party staff, centred around Tom Watson and other "moderates", deliberately sabotaged the process of dealing with claims of anti-Semitism in order to "get the Trots".

Given the distress this must have caused to many Jewish people, particularly those who were the victims of anti-Semitism, who couldn't understand why their cases were taking so long to process and in some instances ignored, I'm sure you'll be calling for immediate action.

No doubt a number of these saboteurs will still be members of the party and of course you'll be asking for their membership to be suspended pending an enquiry.

Otherwise you'd be opening yourself up to accusations of being fraud and we wouldn't want that.

 

[Rascal]

Don't you think that rubbishing the newly elected leader of your own party on petty, internal matters that are of little concern to the wìder electorate (not saying they have no importance but the electorate as a whole aren't bothered about internal Labour appointments) and obviously being opposed to him is also an example of factionalism?

Given that very similar attitudes in the other direction were (with some justification) cited as such when Cornyn was elected leader?

Of course its an example of factionalism and it is why Starmer is the wrong man, he has pandered to the centrist metropolitan liberal left and there is no way the red wall will return to vote Labour under him. He is pro EU for a start, he is a typical Blairite and his appointments to the shadow cabinet are uninspiring at best and a downright snub and insult to those of us on the left.

Labour are losing members and whilst it may not be of import to the wider electorate, it is those who tread the pavements, knocked on doors and delivered the leaflets trying to get Labour elected at the last election whilst the people he brought back were sniping at us from the sides and conspiring against us from HQ.

And yesterday I saw the sickening headline in the Telegraph praising Starmer, he has been accepted by the establishment we need to beat and that acceptance marks him out as one of them.

 

[Rascal]

If anyone’s going to ruin his chances - it’s the momentum Labour supporters - and that will be very frustrating for those that want an end to Tory power.

How many times does it need to be posted. Momentum have 6k members out of what was 500k Labour party members, their influence is hugely overegged.

Momentum are a campaign group, they have little influence on who is in power in the party. Because NUMBERS.

 

[The perfect fumble]

How many times does it need to be posted. Momentum have 6k members out of what was 500k Labour party members, their influence is hugely overegged.

Momentum are a campaign group, they have little influence on who is in power in the party. Because NUMBERS.

That's immaterial, we're not talking rationality here.

Momentum is a blank slate for idiots, reactionaries and snidey fuckers, to scribble whatever they like