Keir Starmer

[meltonblue]

Not at all. Just that he's weak and ineffectual as a leader, and only has the courage of his convictions with the benefit of hindsight.

That makes absolutely no sense in the example you used though, it’s just meaningless words and it’s an example I’ve only seen used by really stupid people on the internet with dubious motives that seemingly have no clue on either that particular case or how our judicial system works.

What are you saying he should have done in that particular example?

 

[Gareth Barry Conlon]

I am not ultra left wing though, I am a Socialist who is being pushed towards the ultra left wing because I have nowhere else to go. Yes I do think Marx, Lenin and Trotsky made some valid points, yes I can be fairly authoritarian and yes I do think Marxism has lots of brilliant analysis, but I am closer to Benn and Foot than I am to the Labour party of Starmer. The party is moving away from me, I am not moving away from the party.

Its 2020 not 1848. You need to move in to the modern reality which is what Labour desperatley need to do. Banging on about Socialism is what holds it back.

 

[The perfect fumble]

Gloves are off.

You understand the square root of f**k all about the Labour party.

This isn't gloves off, this isn't pound of flesh, these fighting analogies miss the point entirely.

If you're looking for an easily understandable analogy, the Labour party is a deeply unhappy 100 year long marriage that stays together for the sake of the kids. There are occasional ups, but the default setting is low level loathing punctuated by lies and betrayal.

 

[Rascal]

Its 2020 not 1848. You need to move in to the modern reality which is what Labour desperatley need to do. Banging on about Socialism is what holds it back.

Marx didn't write Das Kapital until 1867

I am a Socialist, as are many others in the country, are you saying we should just accept neo-liberalism and make the best of it. When I posted Michael Foot's manifesto on here without saying whose manifesto it was, it was well received and people saw lots of merit in it. Should I stop calling myself a Socialist? Is it the word you don't like?

 

[Rascal]

You understand the square root of f**k all about the Labour party.

This isn't gloves off, this isn't pound of flesh, these fighting analogies miss the point entirely.

If you're looking for an easily understandable analogy, the Labour party is a deeply unhappy 100 year long marriage that stays together for the sake of the kids. There are occasional ups, but the default setting is low level loathing punctuating by lies and betrayal.

That is a brilliant analogy. I have probably spent more time arguing with my Labour supporting mates about Socialism and what it means than I ever have arguing with Tories, maybe its because I don't have many Tory mates.

 

[blueinsa]

You understand the square root of f**k all about the Labour party.

I understand enough to know why they are never in power and continually dismissed by the electorate as unfit to govern.

Its because of the infighting, the gloves being off which you basically went on to say.

 

[The perfect fumble]

I understand enough to know why they are never in power and continually dismissed by the electorate as unfit to govern.

Its because of the infighting, the gloves being off which you basically went on to say.

Enough Is Not Enough.

Not coming to a cinema near you any time soon.

 

[mat]

Its 2020 not 1848. You need to move in to the modern reality which is what Labour desperatley need to do. Banging on about Socialism is what holds it back.

Such a Tory answer.

Socialism transformed this country after WW2. But yeah, it's never done anything.

 

[mat]

You understand the square root of f**k all about the Labour party.

This isn't gloves off, this isn't pound of flesh, these fighting analogies miss the point entirely.

If you're looking for an easily understandable analogy, the Labour party is a deeply unhappy 100 year long marriage that stays together for the sake of the kids. There are occasional ups, but the default setting is low level loathing punctuating by lies and betrayal.

That is probably the best way I ever heard Labour described.

 

[Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese]

Stood by the cps decision and taken it on the chin as he was the boss. Instead he hung his team out to dry and kept himself at arms length to save his career. Not a nonce facilitator, but a coward.

That makes absolutely no sense in the example you used though, it’s just meaningless words and it’s an example I’ve only seen used by really stupid people on the internet with dubious motives that seemingly have no clue on either that particular case or how our judicial system works.

What are you saying he should have done in that particular example?

 

[Fame Monster]

What made me laugh about McCluskey was his justification for reducing Labour's funding was that, under Starmer, they're not serving the interests of ordinary, working people anymore.

He mustn't do irony because the man he backed to the hilt gave up the 15 point lead Miliband had in 2015 on such voters to such an extent that the Tories are now far and away the party who working class people vote for.

These union bosses, whether it's McCluskey, Jo Grady or some of the other cranks out there, are so out of touch with the people they're supposed to be representing that they have absolutely no right to be criticising Starmer.

 

[Rascal]

What made me laugh about McCluskey was his justification for reducing Labour's funding was that, under Starmer, they're not serving the interests of ordinary, working people anymore.

He mustn't do irony because the man he backed to the hilt gave up the 15 point lead Miliband had in 2015 on such voters to such an extent that the Tories are now far and away the party who working class people vote for.

These union bosses, whether it's McCluskey, Jo Grady or some of the other cranks out there, are so out of touch with the people they're supposed to be representing that they have absolutely no right to be criticising Starmer.

They have every right, the Labour party was born out of the Trade Union movement and the Trade Unions have funded the party since its inception. They are all elected officials representing their members and are affiliates of the party.

If McClusky had been listened too and Labour had backed Brexit rather than being sat on the fence through Starmer's ridiculous posturing to the FBFE crowd Labour would have been in power and the country wouldn't have suffered the indignities of this pathetic Johnson government.

 

[joe123]

They have every right, the Labour party was born out of the Trade Union movement and the Trade Unions have funded the party since its inception. They are all elected officials representing their members and are affiliates of the party.

If McClusky had been listened too and Labour had backed Brexit rather than being sat on the fence through Starmer's ridiculous posturing to the FBFE crowd Labour would have been in power and the country wouldn't have suffered the indignities of this pathetic Johnson government.

Would've been a hell of a risk to go against every remain voting Labour supporter. Might have retained the red wall, but could've been wiped out in certain metropolitan areas, and I'm not sure they could've out-Brexited the tories.

 

[Ancient Citizen]

Would've been a hell of a risk to go against every remain voting Labour supporter. Might have retained the red wall, but could've been wiped out in certain metropolitan areas, and I'm not sure they could've out-Brexited the tories.

This ignores the fact that the Brexit vote was won by leave before the last election.
Ignoring, or pretending it wasn’t important, by trying to appease both sides resulted in a heavy defeat.
Compounded by having a far left OAP student as leader, but stupid nonetheless.

 

[joe123]

This ignores the fact that the Brexit vote was won by leave before the last election.
Ignoring, or pretending it wasn’t important, by trying to appease both sides resulted in a heavy defeat.
Compounded by having a far left OAP student as leader, but stupid nonetheless.

Leave did win the referendum but I don't think anything that's transpired since would've persuaded remainers that they were wrong and with Brexit being a key issue going into the eletion, that stance would've hardened. With hindisght, Labour's attempt to appease both sides didn't work, but can see why they did it.

 

[Gareth Barry Conlon]

Would've been a hell of a risk to go against every remain voting Labour supporter. Might have retained the red wall, but could've been wiped out in certain metropolitan areas, and I'm not sure they could've out-Brexited the tories.

If labour had backed leave in 2019 they would have been wiped out. Labour support has a huge remain majority. The bottom line there is they should have never gone into an election with brexit still to be concluded and Boris with his oven ready deal. Corbyn was just desperate for another shot - the reality was he had nothing good to say on the biggest issue of the time.

 

[meltonblue]

Stood by the cps decision and taken it on the chin as he was the boss. Instead he hung his team out to dry and kept himself at arms length to save his career. Not a nonce facilitator, but a coward.

You think he should have stood by an incorrect decision rather than apologise for it and seek reform to the law and procedures to try and stop it from happening again?

It wasn’t just a CPS or individual mistake remember, it was brought about by systemic issues across the spectrum of the police, the prosecutors and the law itself. I’m really struggling with the notion that you want the head of a public body to be less transparent rather than more and not to seek improvements to their processes

 

[ganganvince]

Dangerous thing to have,an opinion as a politician nowadays with social media loons waiting to be outraged or offended by everything. Starmer is a true fence sitter though - in charge of the cps when they let Jimmy Savile off the hook, then later criticised the cps for doing so with his amazing hindsight. Probably not actually a bad bloke, but wet as fuck (Starmer not Jimmy).

As we get nearer the next election if Starmer is still leader expect his time as DPP to come under scrutiny John Warboys, MI5 etc.

Keir Starmer’s past is coming under scrutiny. What can we learn from it? | David Renton

A leftwing lawyer was an odd choice to be director of public prosecutions, and some of his decisions were questionable, says David Renton, a political activist and barrister

www.theguardian.com

 

[Ancient Citizen]

As we get nearer the next election if Starmer is still leader expect his time as DPP to come under scrutiny John Warboys, MI5 etc.

Keir Starmer’s past is coming under scrutiny. What can we learn from it? | David Renton

A leftwing lawyer was an odd choice to be director of public prosecutions, and some of his decisions were questionable, says David Renton, a political activist and barrister

www.theguardian.com

His past has not been scrutinised, because as yet, he’s the leader of a party 80 seats behind, so nobody is interested. Nearer to the next GE is when the Tories will start to attack, and judging by the past 20 years or so, they’re very good at it.

 

[Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese]

As we get nearer the next election if Starmer is still leader expect his time as DPP to come under scrutiny John Warboys, MI5 etc.

Keir Starmer’s past is coming under scrutiny. What can we learn from it? | David Renton

A leftwing lawyer was an odd choice to be director of public prosecutions, and some of his decisions were questionable, says David Renton, a political activist and barrister

www.theguardian.com

All depends on the Murdoch press. At present they are on his side, but if they decide to the drip feed of constant bollocks will no doubt persuade the electorate he was Warboys and Saviles best mate just like they made Corbyn into a cross between Gerry Adams and Joseph Mengele.