Keir Starmer

NeilYoungIsBack said:
Can you please point to the evidence you are relying on to make this claim? Specifically on average hours worked.
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I wasn't making the claim, Terry Eagleton was.

I do think working less hours is a goal that should be aimed at. I am not saying everyone is only allowed to work so many hours, i am saying the aim should be to work less.

Capitalists will hate that notion though as it means there is less opportunity to exploit a workers surplus value.
 
Psychedelic Casual said:
He’s not going for a job as a Saturday evening gameshow presenter. All that matters are his policies.
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I agree.

Brown partly lost an election because he didn't have the TV personality of Pig Fucker and his fag boy. He was a great political mind but in this narcissistic age politicians with his skills have no chance because they look awkward on Tele.

I'd love a world of boring politicians who argue over the interpretation of a line in a life changing bill, making the world better for all rather than all the sociopaths in power for their own vanity and power lining up to get a blow job off Andrew Marr every Sunday.
 
Rascal said:
I wasn't making the claim, Terry Eagleton was.

I do think working less hours is a goal that should be aimed at. I am not saying everyone is only allowed to work so many hours, i am saying the aim should be to work less.

Capitalists will hate that notion though as it means there is less opportunity to exploit a workers surplus value.
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Ok, it wasn't clear to me that it was a quotation from someone else.

It's an interesting topic. I am aware of evidence that supports part of the claim (modern workers vs hunter gatherers) but there is a mix of evidence on the other aspects (e.g. medieval serfs vs modern workers).

One of the issues is whether you distinguish between pure leisure time and unpaid domestic work. If you focus on pure leisure time then I would say that most of us have more of that now than our equivalents at any time in recorded human history.

Of course, on average females undertake a lot more unpaid domestic work than the average male does, at a ratio of around 2:1.
 
I still think his undoing will be this assumption that he's on a 4 year battle plan. With brexit 'getting done' and if Boris can return life to some sort of normality this summer I can see him going to the country early. The way labour / Starmer seem to think they have three years to fight among themselves before getting serious about fighting the tory govt could see them woefully unprepared.
 
mat said:
https://amp.theguardian.com/politics/2021/feb/20/labour-mps-dismayed-at-orders-to-maintain-radio-silence-on-brexit?

Looks like he's uniting the party at least...In a collective WTF?! Pissing off his own fans now.

Maybe he's been put there to kill the party once and for all.
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They need to do more research on how many people who deserted Labour over Brexit either would come back now that Brexit is done, or realise the mistake and what a mess it is. Yesterday I had people who voted LibDem because Labour wasn't Remainy enough, and Tory because Labour wasn't Brexity enough, and a lifelong Tory who voted Labour because of Brexit and won't vote Tory again while Johnson is PM. They will all vote Labour in the local elections.

But I would not raise Brexit unless it was an issue with the particular voter. For a Labour voter who did vote Tory because of Brexit and still thinks Brexit is good, I'll just say these are local elections and explain why Council Tax is going up again. Tory cuts, the real elephant in every room.

Any damage from Brexit in local jobs may or may not be clear by May (unless you're a fishing port).

And I can't see any benefit of asking questions in Parliament about Brexit. They'd just turn it to vaccines (but not everyone has short memories about the bad choices made last year). Leave the Brexit questions to Tory MPs in fishing ports.
 
Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese said:
I still think his undoing will be this assumption that he's on a 4 year battle plan. With brexit 'getting done' and if Boris can return life to some sort of normality this summer I can see him going to the country early. The way labour / Starmer seem to think they have three years to fight among themselves before getting serious about fighting the tory govt could see them woefully unprepared.
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I can't see another election soon with the restrictions still around, then the Tories will have to have their own internal battle for a year or so over the EU deal and who's to blame for the handling of the pandemic and either Boris will crack down and remove his opposition or they'll remove him, the landscape will be very different again in 2 years. Whether Starmer lasts that long is a different matter but there's a whole Brexit/Covid fallout to come and it's going to be a very different country.
 
Rascal said:
Talking about business now, Mandy has wrote this, Blair is pulling the strings in the background.

What a rubbish speech. Very disappointing.
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Yes, because it’s so obvious the next Labour leader will tick all the boxes and please everyone.

let’s face it, Labour fanbase are split. Socialist lefties who fly the red flag and boring fuckers like me who are more centrists that just want a reasonable opposition against the Tories.

No person is going to bridge the gap.

so it will just forever be a moanfest from Labour supporters and it’s why the Tories continue to March forward however bad they are.
 
BlueHammer85 said:
Yes, because it’s so obvious the next Labour leader will tick all the boxes and please everyone.

let’s face it, Labour fanbase are split. Socialist lefties who fly the red flag and boring fuckers like me who are more centrists that just want a reasonable opposition against the Tories.

No person is going to bridge the gap.

so it will just forever be a moanfest from Labour supporters and it’s why the Tories continue to March forward however bad they are.
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This is true, and your last sentence is also true.
What many on here fail to grasp, because they occupy the far left of the party and will brook no movement from that, is that to win elections any party has to capture what's commonly known as 'Middle England' and to capture the ever present floating voter. This isn't a theory of mine, or an effort to disparage Labour's left, not this time, it's common knowledge
and the only one from Labour who managed to do it, very successfully, was Blair. He is a hate figure for the left, but they still cling to the fantasy that
their politics will succeed, they won't, because the people they need to target, as explained above, will never accept them.
Starmer is of the left, another massive problem, but he's intelligent, and knows that propounding Corbyn like policies, will never get him into No.10,
so is now in the unenviable position of trying to run with the hare and hounds, it's not advancing him at all, in fact, he's falling behind even more.
I've said it many times, unless Labour find another Blair, they've had it.
 
BlueHammer85 said:
Yes, because it’s so obvious the next Labour leader will tick all the boxes and please everyone.

let’s face it, Labour fanbase are split. Socialist lefties who fly the red flag and boring fuckers like me who are more centrists that just want a reasonable opposition against the Tories.

No person is going to bridge the gap.

so it will just forever be a moanfest from Labour supporters and it’s why the Tories continue to March forward however bad they are.
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To be fair young Hammer, if you want a Centrist government vote for a centrist party. I want a Socialist government so I will not vote for a centrist party, I will vote for a party that reflects my views.

Voting least worst is negative democracy and as i believe in positive democracy then I will vote for a party that is Socialist or i will not vote at all and use my right to abstain.
 
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Rascal said:
To be fair young Hammer, if you want a Centrist government vote for a centrist party. I want a Socialist government so I will not vote for a centrist party, I will vote for a party that reflects my views.

Voting least worst is negative democracy and as i believe in positive democracy then I will vote for a party that is Socialist or i will not vote at all and use my right to abstain.
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but surely you would rather a centre left party than to live eternity under the Tories ?
 
Rascal said:
To be fair young Hammer, if you want a Centrist government vote for a centrist party. I want a Socialist government so I will not vote for a centrist party, I will vote for a party that reflects my views.

Voting least worst is negative democracy and as i believe in positive democracy then I will vote for a party that is Socialist or i will not vote at all and use my right to abstain.
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Unless Labour have reinstated clause four, (I don't know, they may have done),
then you're not actually voting for a socialist party. So the only one is your
preferred party, the communist party, who did not campaign last election, as they wanted Corbyn, which does tell you something.
Do they still exist by the way?
 
BlueHammer85 said:
but surely you would rather a centre left party than to live eternity under the Tories ?
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I want a Socialist party. There is no centre left party, there are centrist and RW parties and I will not vote for either.

If I want a Vindaloo, i am going to settle for a Korma, I may as well save my money and have a bacon butty.
 
Ancient Citizen said:
Unless Labour have reinstated clause four, (I don't know, they may have done),
then you're not actually voting for a socialist party. So the only one is your
preferred party, the communist party, who did not campaign last election, as they wanted Corbyn, which does tell you something.
Do they still exist by the way?
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If the Communist Party stood i would vote for them, I would also consider voting for the Workers Party and maybe even the Greens, as i identify more with them than i do with a RW Labour party.

Communist Party of Britain
 
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