I am not a defender of Labour anymore, I am a critic of Labour. I left the party.Rascal you are probably the most loyal defender of the Labour Party on this forum and I applaud you for this, but if you have to ask that question it makes me sad you must see they are falling faster than arsenal mate
Socialism is not hard lefthartlepool was a 70% leave voting area .
despite that kier insisted on putting a strong remain supporting candidate in to fight the seat.
stupid idea and another example of Labour not listening to the people on the ground and trying to tell the people how to think rather than listening .
it’s a strong leave area , not all Labour were pro eu so there would have been other candidates they could have put in.
it’s a real challenge for the party now as to which way they go more moderate or hard left again. Unfortunately the public (outside London) seem to be rejecting both versions.
it’s a tough one. We need them to get it right for the good of the country.
Dont think we will ever know whether brexit will be better or worse for the economy now, as the financial fall out from Covid has dwarfed everything. Starmer backing remain and being a knighted london based champagne socialist will always count againt him in some sections of the northern labour vote.Labour piled up votes where they weren't needed and lost votes where they were needed. Pro-EU Metropolitan areas voted Labour, but the red wall didn't.
Whether Brexit is a disaster or not is not the point Vic, Labour on the whole was on the wrong side of the debate when it should have been on the leave side. You simply cannot be left wing and pro EU as the EU is a capitalist construct. Labour became associated with the metropolitan liberal elite and lost the working class vote. We could debate it all over again, but it does not alter the fact that the country voted for Brexit and Labour were on the wrong side of history and now the people who voted for Brexit are stuck with a Government that will rule not in their interest but in the interest of capital because Labour were not brave enough to take the pro-Leave position and then govern in the interests of the people, not capital.
Do you know what a Champange Socialist is?Dont think we will ever know whether brexit will be better or worse for the economy now, as the financial fall out from Covid has dwarfed everything. Starmer backing remain and being a knighted london based champagne socialist will always count againt him in some sections of the northern labour vote.
Do you know what a Champange Socialist is?
Well its just a term the press used during Blairs time. To reflect london based wealthy labour voters, celebrities and MPs that are seen as out of touch with everyday working class people.Do you know what a Champange Socialist is?
I'm no expert when it comes to politics. I'm always of the opinion that all politicians are just a bunch of self serving luvvies. But when it came to labour this year it was a case of if I didn't take the knee I was a racist. They jumped on the woke nonsense band wagon and the cancel culture shit.I am not a defender of Labour anymore, I am a critic of Labour. I left the party.
I used to leaflet our estate, not this time and my local councillor lost, we now have a Lib Dem.
I am a Socialist and I want to vote for Socialist parties, so that is why I suggested the question that Labour should ask is ......Why do you feel so distanced?
Rascal, genuine question do you think being a socialist can also be seen as being a bit non aspirational by some voters?I am not a defender of Labour anymore, I am a critic of Labour. I left the party.
I used to leaflet our estate, not this time and my local councillor lost, we now have a Lib Dem.
I am a Socialist and I want to vote for Socialist parties, so that is why I suggested the question that Labour should ask is ......Why do you feel so distanced?
They’d have lost in 2019 if the Brexit party hadn’t stood, tbf.In Hartlepool
2005 under Blair labour got 18,251 votes
2010 under Brown labour got 16,267 votes
2015 under Ed Miliband Labour got 14.026 votes
2017 under Corbyn Labour got 21,696 votes
2021 under Keir Labour got 8,569