Keir Starmer

Cheadle_hulmeBlue said:
“My view is simple: in the past decade, Labour has lost touch with ordinary British people. A London-based bourgeoisie, with the support of brigades of woke social media warriors, has effectively captured the party. They mean well, of course, but their politics – obsessed with identity, division and even tech utopianism – have more in common with those of Californian high society than the kind of people who voted in Hartlepool yesterday. The loudest voices in the Labour movement over the past year in particular have focused more on pulling down Churchill’s statue than they have on helping people pull themselves up in the world. No wonder it is doing better among rich urban liberals and young university graduates than it is amongst the most important part of its traditional electoral coalition, the working-class.” Labour MP Khalid Mahmood

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What should they be concentrating on then?


Lefty causes = virtue signalling.

Holding the government to account = point-scoring.
 
Interestingly Sir John Curtis is saying the same thing about culture wars taking over left/right politics.
 
Fode N The Hole said:
Police numbers is only half the story.

theguardian.com

Tackle poverty and inequality to reduce crime, says police chief

Retiring head of Merseyside force says if he had £5bn he would spend 20% on policing and 80% on cutting poverty
theguardian.com theguardian.com
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Yep. Not surprised.
If central government wanted to REALLY address this then they could.
Council cash is horrendously low now and the real reasons for crime should be focused on central government, not local.
Failures from the "top" drip drip drip into a lot of things on a local level.
 
Cheadle_hulmeBlue said:
“My view is simple: in the past decade, Labour has lost touch with ordinary British people. A London-based bourgeoisie, with the support of brigades of woke social media warriors, has effectively captured the party. They mean well, of course, but their politics – obsessed with identity, division and even tech utopianism – have more in common with those of Californian high society than the kind of people who voted in Hartlepool yesterday. The loudest voices in the Labour movement over the past year in particular have focused more on pulling down Churchill’s statue than they have on helping people pull themselves up in the world. No wonder it is doing better among rich urban liberals and young university graduates than it is amongst the most important part of its traditional electoral coalition, the working-class.” Labour MP Khalid Mahmood

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The country is now fcuked after ten years of Conservative rule.
Sums up the Tories well.
 
Labour socialist had their Corbyn, a socialist dream and he was totally unelectable.
they should have swallowed their pride and got behind Starmer, yes not as far left as they would like but still Labour and a better alternative to Conservative- instead they did their usual infighting, going mad at their new leader for not being like the last guy that couldn’t win them election and mocked him as Keith. Own worst enemy.
 
So Labour is too right wing under Starmer and needs to go Left, its not rght wing enough, its too woke, it can't connect with ordinary voters blah blah.

Labour is fucked as it is three factions trying to masquerade as a unified party. The world has moved on and the Conservatives have done too. Johnson doesn't have to get out of second gear to swat them aside.
 
They’re in a bit of a pickle are Labour two halves fighting against each other about what the party should do going forward. The biggest problem is neither sides views would win an election anyhow.
I can only see one option and that’s waiting for the day the country get sick of the Tories. Opposition tend not to win elections governments lose them. God knows what it will take to get rid of this lot after the shit show of our recent history.

They have tried the Tooting popular front with student Corbyn and now have a dull professional establishment type doing just as bad. We are stuck with the status quo folks, the public is not interested in genuine change or each other.
 
Invisible Man's Bandage said:
So Labour is too right wing under Starmer and needs to go Left, its not rght wing enough, its too woke, it can't connect with ordinary voters blah blah.

Labour is fucked as it is three factions trying to masquerade as a unified party. The world has moved on and the Conservatives have done too. Johnson doesn't have to get out of second gear to swat them aside.
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If they divide though that just makes the Tories stronger. I think the el ephant in the room is a lot of Labour members and MPs don’t like the views of their historic base support ie the working class.
 
hilts said:
If they divide though that just makes the Tories stronger. I think the el ephant in the room is a lot of Labour members and MPs don’t like the views of their historic base support ie the working class.
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PR in multi seated constituencies would return a much more electorate representative government. Probably a lot of coalitions for a while.
You’re stuck with what you’re getting at the moment as long as you have FPTP.

That suits the Tories.
 
Cheadle_hulmeBlue said:
“My view is simple: in the past decade, Labour has lost touch with ordinary British people. A London-based bourgeoisie, with the support of brigades of woke social media warriors, has effectively captured the party. They mean well, of course, but their politics – obsessed with identity, division and even tech utopianism – have more in common with those of Californian high society than the kind of people who voted in Hartlepool yesterday. The loudest voices in the Labour movement over the past year in particular have focused more on pulling down Churchill’s statue than they have on helping people pull themselves up in the world. No wonder it is doing better among rich urban liberals and young university graduates than it is amongst the most important part of its traditional electoral coalition, the working-class.” Labour MP Khalid Mahmood

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Sums up where he's looking, if he really thinks statues explain the Hartlepool result.
 
hilts said:
If they divide though that just makes the Tories stronger. I think the el ephant in the room is a lot of Labour members and MPs don’t like the views of their historic base support ie the working class.
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I think most people know that. Lots of Labour members/ types look down on the working class. The working class know that and it’s part of why they don’t vote for them.

without that huge vote share they will never win an election. I’m puzzled why I keep hearing Labour members saying they should have backed remain or need to go more to the left.
 
mackenzie said:
Yep. Not surprised.
If central government wanted to REALLY address this then they could.
Council cash is horrendously low now and the real reasons for crime should be focused on central government, not local.
Failures from the "top" drip drip drip into a lot of things on a local level.
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Local councils and therefore local services have borne the brunt of Tory austerity. Tories blame the Labour council.
 
Losblue said:
RIP labour,and the deluded cunts that support them.
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Except in our fair city which went labour all round bar one seat to the greens, which for any socialist is just as good

And with the mayor on course to win an increased majority as did many labour councilors


So basically you are saying Mancunians are deluded cunts in general?
 
Invisible Man's Bandage said:
So Labour is too right wing under Starmer and needs to go Left, its not rght wing enough, its too woke, it can't connect with ordinary voters blah blah.

Labour is fucked as it is three factions trying to masquerade as a unified party. The world has moved on and the Conservatives have done too. Johnson doesn't have to get out of second gear to swat them aside.
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You seem to not understand being woke has fuck all to do with being socialist or left wing.

One mistake choosing a lefty like corbyn was that he wasn't really full on socialst left and had liberal poncy ideas mixed in.

Never met a woke socialist yet, meet a lot of wishy washy numptys on left wing marches that have social liberal views mind
 
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