Kompany red card and appeal SUCCESSFUL

[Dubai Blue]

Re: Kompany red card and appeal

As much as I don't think it was a red card, I don't think it will be rescinded either as the fact that Kompany's feet both left the ground means that the ref CAN make a decision. I wouldnt appeal it and have him back for the game against the scousers...not ideal to have no right footed cb, but with nastasic and lescott we should have enough and rekik in reserve to beat fulham and qpr. not sure about the fa cup game though, especially if stoke get through as is fast becoming a bogey ground for us

There's no reason not to appeal. The decision will be made before the Fulham game so, even if we lose the appeal, Kompany still misses exactly the same games. He'll be back for the scousers anyway.

Surely he would get an extra game ban (to make it 4) if it is not overturned? hence he would miss the Liverpool game?

No. Some people are hugely overplaying the possibility of his ban being extended. I don't have the exact figures but you can count on one hand the number of appeals that have been deemed as frivolous in the past.

It generally only applies to teams appealing a blatant red card simply to delay the inevitable ban so the player can play in an important game (the rags have form for doing this).

In this case the appeal decision will be before the next game so City aren't trying to manipulate the situation, and the debate that has already taken place in the media since last night proves that this was far from being a nailed-on red. Both of these mean there is no chance whatsoever of an appeal being deemed frivolous and VK having his ban extended. So City have to appeal this as we have a very strong case with no risk. In fact, I actually believe Dean himself will admit that he got this one wrong.

 

[Jumanji]

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Maybe we should appeal!

 

[Manx Blue]

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Ive slept on it..., Slap in an appeal with a request for a personal hearing

 

[Prestwich_Blue]

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I've said it before but it needs saying again,. Two footed tackles are allowed under the law as long as the ball acts as a cushion (which it clearly did) and the player does not use excessive force (which he didn't).

 

[Chippy_boy]

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Not certain about this, but don't the rules say something about successful appeals relating to clearly incorrect decisions? If this is the case, an appeal would likely fail, because although a red is harsh or even wrong, I am not sure it's clearly wrong. It's debatable and in the speed of the moment and from the angle Mike Dean had, I am not sure the panel would feel he clearly got it wrong.

Incidentally, I thought he had a great game apart from this. And also, I think the appeals process should be about clear refereeing errors. It would be a farce if every time someone got a red it was appealed.

 

[Dubai Blue]

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Not certain about this, but don't the rules say something about successful appeals relating to clearly incorrect decisions? If this is the case, an appeal would likely fail, because although a red is harsh or even wrong, I am not sure it's clearly wrong. It's debatable and in the speed of the moment and from the angle Mike Dean had, I am not sure the panel would feel he clearly got it wrong.

You're basically right. If the panel deemed it was only worthy of a yellow card, the red card would stand. Warped logic, I know, but there you go.

However, I (and plenty of neutrals) don't even think it was a free kick, so there's definitely room for an appeal. They will usually back the referee though, so ideally we need Dean to watch the replay and admit he got it wrong.

 

[bernabias home shirt]

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Not certain about this, but don't the rules say something about successful appeals relating to clearly incorrect decisions? If this is the case, an appeal would likely fail, because although a red is harsh or even wrong, I am not sure it's clearly wrong. It's debatable and in the speed of the moment and from the angle Mike Dean had, I am not sure the panel would feel he clearly got it wrong.

You're basically right. If the panel deemed it was only worthy of a yellow card, the red card would stand. Warped logic, I know, but there you go.

However, I (and plenty of neutrals) don't even think it was a free kick, so there's definitely room for an appeal. They will usually back the referee though, so ideally we need Dean to watch the replay and admit he got it wrong.

He's not going to do that though is he
Especially if he knows he has the backing of souness and young twitcher right after the match

 

[Blue Haze]

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Can't imagine how the panel would deem it frivolous, so no harm in appealing.

If they won't overturn a tackle that most don't even think is a foul, then just forget the appeals process for reds.

 

[Dubai Blue]

Re: Kompany red card and appeal

Not certain about this, but don't the rules say something about successful appeals relating to clearly incorrect decisions? If this is the case, an appeal would likely fail, because although a red is harsh or even wrong, I am not sure it's clearly wrong. It's debatable and in the speed of the moment and from the angle Mike Dean had, I am not sure the panel would feel he clearly got it wrong.

You're basically right. If the panel deemed it was only worthy of a yellow card, the red card would stand. Warped logic, I know, but there you go.

However, I (and plenty of neutrals) don't even think it was a free kick, so there's definitely room for an appeal. They will usually back the referee though, so ideally we need Dean to watch the replay and admit he got it wrong.

He's not going to do that though is he
Especially if he knows he has the backing of souness and young twitcher right after the match

He's a top ref who clearly doesn't give two shits what anyone thinks about him, least of all a pair of know-nowts like those two, so he might. He probably values Dermot Gallagher's opinion a lot more, and he was adamant that he had made a mistake. There's no harm in appealing though as it definitely can't be deemed frivolous.

 

[bernabias home shirt]

Re: Kompany red card and appeal

You're basically right. If the panel deemed it was only worthy of a yellow card, the red card would stand. Warped logic, I know, but there you go.

However, I (and plenty of neutrals) don't even think it was a free kick, so there's definitely room for an appeal. They will usually back the referee though, so ideally we need Dean to watch the replay and admit he got it wrong.

He's not going to do that though is he
Especially if he knows he has the backing of souness and young twitcher right after the match

He's a top ref who clearly doesn't give two shits what anyone thinks about him, least of all a pair of know-nowts like those two, so he might. He probably values Dermot Gallagher's opinion a lot more, and he was adamant that he made he mistake. There's no harm in appealing though as it definitely can't be deemed frivolous.

Oh i agree mate 100% i'd appeal it
I just get the feeling if he knows its 50/50 with the pundits and press he will just stick with what his original decision.

 

[Chippy_boy]

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Just had a read up on the rules and it says this:

The grounds of appeal available to Participants shall be that the body whose decision is appealed against :
(1) failed to give the appellant a fair hearing and/or
(2) misinterpreted or failed to comply with the rules or regulations relevant to its decision; and/or
(3) came to a decision to which no reasonable such body could have come and/or
(4) imposed a penalty, award, order or sanction that was excessive

(1) and (4) are not relevant. And I can't see how Vinny would get off with either (2) or (3).

 

[nijinskybell]

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He's not going to do that though is he
Especially if he knows he has the backing of souness and young twitcher right after the match

He's a top ref who clearly doesn't give two shits what anyone thinks about him, least of all a pair of know-nowts like those two, so he might. He probably values Dermot Gallagher's opinion a lot more, and he was adamant that he made he mistake. There's no harm in appealing though as it definitely can't be deemed frivolous.

Oh i agree mate 100% i'd appeal it
I just get the feeling if he knows its 50/50 with the pundits and press he will just stick with what his original decision.

Dean can legitimately say that from his view it looked worse than it actually was and the side view clearly shows it was a good tackle, and Wilshere slid into Vinny (rather than VK tackling Wilshere) therefore he got it wrong - an honest mistake - whether he will or not remains to be seen.

Personally it would be dishonest of him to insist his original decision was correct imho.<br /><br />-- Mon Jan 14, 2013 8:06 am --<br /><br />

Just had a read up on the rules and it says this:

The grounds of appeal available to Participants shall be that the body whose decision is appealed against :
(1) failed to give the appellant a fair hearing and/or
(2) misinterpreted or failed to comply with the rules or regulations relevant to its decision; and/or
(3) came to a decision to which no reasonable such body could have come and/or
(4) imposed a penalty, award, order or sanction that was excessive

(1) and (4) are not relevant. And I can't see how Vinny would get off with either (2) or (3).

2 - misinterpreted the rules about a perfectly good tackle being a foul... maybe?

 

[fergal_oc]

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I really do hope it gets rescinded, it should do but overanalysis mode on, Vinny isn't helping himself because he tackles with his left foot in a rightfooted players way.

Most who've played the game know what I mean. If I slide in with my right foot my left foot is always on the ground beneath my right leg. Left footed tacklers will normally do the opposite so that when they slide in with their left their right foot is beneath their left leg. Vinny however always seems to tackle left footed in a right footed way so that his trailing leg is above his tackling leg. This is why it always looks so much worse than it really is.

As for this instance, you'll also notice that wilshere slips as he takes his last step before getting to Vinny which means he's actually the one out of control and not Vinny.

 

[Pigeonho]

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Should get rescinded. To be honest I thought the challenge that won the ball that lead to one of the goals at Norwich was worse, and expected him to go for that. The challenge yesterday was absolutely perfect.

 

[Chippy_boy]

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Fergal makes a good point. Normally when you tackle, your tackling leg is the upper leg. I hadn't really thought about it before, but Vinny often tackles with his lower leg and then his upper leg comes clattering in afterwards, which is why it ends up looking like two footed and /or excessive force. I guess this is instinctive for him and would probably be difficult to coach out.

 

[scotty123]

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Graham Poll on talkshite now, there is no chance of Kompany getting it overturned it was a dangerous two footed lunge acc to arseoll, Irani and Brazil shouting and cackling away their support for what he says.
Altogether now, oh Graham Poll your a fucking arsehole

 

[BoyBlue_1985]

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Graham Poll on talkshite now, there is no chance of Kompany getting it overturned it was a dangerous two footed lunge acc to arseoll, Irani and Brazil shouting and cackling away their support for what he says.
Altogether now, oh Graham Poll your a fucking arsehole

Even Wenger said it looked fair FFS

ARSENE FUCKING WENGER
He hasn't seen anything in 15 years

 

[Dubai Blue]

Re: Kompany red card and appeal

Latest from the Fail:

Vincent Kompany will serve a ban for his red card at the Emirates, Sportsmail has learned.

It is understood that referee Mike Dean will not be asked to review the decision by the FA. Sources at the FA believe Dean’s decision to be ‘justified’.

Manchester City are going through the process of an appeal, but Dean’s decision does not qualify as a ‘clear and obvious error’ from the referee.

There will not be a ‘frivolous’ punishment penalty of additional game for Kompany, however. In order for that to be the case an appeal needs to have ‘no obvious case of success.’

Read more: <a class="postlink" href="http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2262044/Vincent-Kompany-unsuccessful-appeal-red-card.html#ixzz2HwBY58ie" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/footba ... z2HwBY58ie</a>

 

[Ajay]

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Latest from the Fail:

Vincent Kompany will serve a ban for his red card at the Emirates, Sportsmail has learned.

It is understood that referee Mike Dean will not be asked to review the decision by the FA. Sources at the FA believe Dean’s decision to be ‘justified’.

Manchester City are going through the process of an appeal, but Dean’s decision does not qualify as a ‘clear and obvious error’ from the referee.

There will not be a ‘frivolous’ punishment penalty of additional game for Kompany, however. In order for that to be the case an appeal needs to have ‘no obvious case of success.’

Read more: <a class="postlink" href="http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2262044/Vincent-Kompany-unsuccessful-appeal-red-card.html#ixzz2HwBY58ie" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/footba ... z2HwBY58ie</a>

I was under the impression that it is out of the hands of the ref now and that the appeal is listened to by a seperate team - maybe I am totally wrong though

 

[BoyBlue_1985]

Re: Kompany red card and appeal

Latest from the Fail:

Vincent Kompany will serve a ban for his red card at the Emirates, Sportsmail has learned.

It is understood that referee Mike Dean will not be asked to review the decision by the FA. Sources at the FA believe Dean’s decision to be ‘justified’.

Manchester City are going through the process of an appeal, but Dean’s decision does not qualify as a ‘clear and obvious error’ from the referee.

There will not be a ‘frivolous’ punishment penalty of additional game for Kompany, however. In order for that to be the case an appeal needs to have ‘no obvious case of success.’

Read more: <a class="postlink" href="http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2262044/Vincent-Kompany-unsuccessful-appeal-red-card.html#ixzz2HwBY58ie" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/footba ... z2HwBY58ie</a>

I was under the impression that it is out of the hands of the ref now and that the appeal is listened to by a seperate team - maybe I am totally wrong though

No generally they ask the ref if after seeing it again he would of made a different decision, I think