Leroy Sané

samuelyeboah said:
so you have no proof. gotcha.
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Some examples ...

I watched him stop running and refuse to take the ball because he was tired ... in a cup final.

In All or Nothing he gets reprimanded by Pep for sulking with the immortal line "there are many sads"

I thought he turned up as the better player but gradually get boxed out of the team for many of the biggest games by Raheem. If he had the same attitude to training and development as Sterling, that would never have happened, he is more talented.

I've seen quotes from Lothar Matthaus criticising him after his first year at Bayern for a poor attitude, and just recently saying "he finally got his act together this year but now he's gone backwards again so you wonder what's going on with him. I wouldn't be surprised by a sale."

I loved watching him but I'd say his trajectory post Pep is a reflection of how good Guardiola is as a coach. He could still do it if he wants, hopefully we won't look at him as a lost talent like Mario or Lake.
 
He purposely ran offside to the flight of a perfectly flighted 55yarder from walker, he was play acting...walker didnt find it the least bit funny, pep was doing fawlty impressions. I said nowt and my pal whispered in me ear ' curtains for sane'...i didnt need to ask him what he meant.
 
Keeper! said:
Form is temporary, class is permanent.

Any one denying Sane is a quality player is a fool but that's the whole point, Sane had the talent to be one of the worlds greats, he had the lot, yet now he would not even be in the top 50 players in world football.
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Major exaggeration. He breaks top 30
 
Fat Chance said:
He purposely ran offside to the flight of a perfectly flighted 55yarder from walker, he was play acting...walker didnt find it the least bit funny, pep was doing fawlty impressions. I said nowt and my pal whispered in me ear ' curtains for sane'...i didnt need to ask him what he meant.
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What game was that in pal?
 
Keeper! said:
He should be breaking the top 3 with his talent.
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I mean, by definition *very few* players do that. You're talking about what, the likes of Mbappe, Lewandowski and Messi?

He's never been in that category, and he doesn't need to be to be a top player for a top club. He wasn't when he joined us, he wasn't when he left us.

He's still a quality attacking option, just as he was, that would improve any team at the top, he can walk straight from Bayern into the squad at Real, Barça, PSG, Juve or ourselves without any problems.
 
PabloZabeleta said:
I mean, by definition *very few* players do that. You're talking about what, the likes of Mbappe, Lewandowski and Messi?

He's never been in that category, and he doesn't need to be to be a top player for a top club. He wasn't when he joined us, he wasn't when he left us.

He's still a quality attacking option, just as he was, that would improve any team at the top, he can walk straight from Bayern into the squad at Real, Barça, PSG, Juve or ourselves without any problems.
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For me he could have been in the elite bracket, he had it all, superb close dribbling, pace, goalscoring, creation, physicality and he was a marketing mans dream.
 
Keeper! said:
For me he could have been in the elite bracket, he had it all, superb close dribbling, pace, goalscoring, creation, physicality and he was a marketing mans dream.
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Whether that was on the cards, we'll never know, what he *has* achieved to date though is no slight on him.

It's not through want of trying that he isn't in that "top 3" or even top 10 bracket, those are mean feats and you need to be blessed and have the fates and luck on your side as well as immense skill for that to all come together, and even then it doesn't have to happen.

What if any of those attributes you listed has actually gone from Sane's play? Pace, yes, but that's down to an injury that had him out for an entire season. Maybe a little physicality, again same reason. But technically he is all there, and we're not talking about a crocked Andy Carroll or Michael Owen.

None of that is an argument against Sane as a player, or against us re-signing him. It doesn't make him arrogant or cocky, and it doesn't mean he stopped trying, if he did he wouldn't be performing like he does in the Bundesliga
 
PabloZabeleta said:
Whether that was on the cards, we'll never know, what he *has* achieved to date though is no slight on him.

It's not through want of trying that he isn't in that "top 3" or even top 10 bracket, those are mean feats and you need to be blessed and have the fates and luck on your side as well as immense skill for that to all come together, and even then it doesn't have to happen.

What if any of those attributes you listed has actually gone from Sane's play? Pace, yes, but that's down to an injury that had him out for an entire season. Maybe a little physicality, again same reason. But technically he is all there, and we're not talking about a crocked Andy Carroll or Michael Owen.

None of that is an argument against Sane as a player, or against us re-signing him. It doesn't make him arrogant or cocky, and it doesn't mean he stopped trying, if he did he wouldn't be performing like he does in the Bundesliga
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He could perform to a high level in his sleep, he has incredible natural talent.

The thing I see is a player who now does not look to be enjoying the game of football after a dream move back home to the biggest club in Germany, the reasons none of us know, but as said he is an immense talent and should be entering his peak years.
 
bondsman said:
He looks decent I agree but hasn’t proven himself how Sane has.
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True. But I'm comparing the Same I see today to the Martinelli I see today.

I love Sane, and I voted to take him back if he wants a return. But the Sane I see today reminds me of the Sane from his first season with us. Mostly disinterested with few moments of excellent play. Martinelli on the other hand is like a mini Gabby with his intensity with a little more speed and skill to boot.


Frankly, if City were looking for a young Raheem speed/skill replacement, he'd be near the top of the list for me.
 
Dax777 said:
True. But I'm comparing the Same I see today to the Martinelli I see today.

I love Sane, and I voted to take him back if he wants a return. But the Sane I see today reminds me of the Sane from his first season with us. Mostly disinterested with few moments of excellent play. Martinelli on the other hand is like a mini Gabby with his intensity with a little more speed and skill to boot.


Frankly, if City were looking for a young Raheem speed/skill replacement, he'd be near the top of the list for me.
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I agree he looks like a decent player but Leroy always turned up in big games, Martinelli yet to have that impact for me though granted he lacks support at Arsenal. I’d have him at City as you say and I’d also welcome Leroy back.
 
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