Life without kids??

No. It's patronising. It assumes you know the innermost feelings of others simply because you can't empathise with another viewpoint. It's also fucking annoying.

It's got nothing to do with inability to empathise. I have not for one moment suggested kids are for everyone and would never tell anyone that they should have them but it is a fact that quite a lot of people who believe they do not want kids eventually find that they do. I could name people I know who fall into that category and I am sure I am not alone.
 
You don't sound like a know it all dick. Your probably right in what your saying.

Thing is, I've not buried my head in the sand on this and assumed it's a phase she's going through. I've tried to really speak to her about it as I know from how she was that this is something that she's really struggling with because she's never felt this way before. It's almost like a switch has been flicked and she's now become very maternal despite her being quite forthright and comfortable with us planning a life without kids.

It's a proper elephant in the room at this moment though as were quite far apart on our thoughts on this.

It really is not likely to be a passing phase.
 
No. It's patronising. It assumes you know the innermost feelings of others simply because you can't empathise with another viewpoint. It's also fucking annoying.
Whatever happened to that huge dog you had ? Did you take him with you or leave him with family
 
Whatever happened to that huge dog you had ? Did you take him with you or leave him with family
Still got the big bugger. I'm two weeks in to a three week holiday and have literally just finished face timing him. Married or not, he's still my favourite thing on this planet.

And yes he does get hot but he has his own pool and the house has air con so he's probably far cooler in summer than he ever was in Didsbury.
 
It's got nothing to do with inability to empathise. I have not for one moment suggested kids are for everyone and would never tell anyone that they should have them but it is a fact that quite a lot of people who believe they do not want kids eventually find that they do. I could name people I know who fall into that category and I am sure I am not alone.
That's great, but people saying "you'll change your mind" is bullshit. And for all the reasons I've stated.

I don't want kids. I hate the fucking things.
 
Its funny because having met SWP's Back on a few occasions, I think you would make a great dad!
There are plenty of fathers out there who really don't give a shit about their kids!!!
But I can appreciate that the whole kids thing isn't your thing.
Just because we both enjoyed you sitting on my knee in the pub doesn't mean I'd mate a great dad!
 
It's got nothing to do with inability to empathise. I have not for one moment suggested kids are for everyone and would never tell anyone that they should have them but it is a fact that quite a lot of people who believe they do not want kids eventually find that they do. I could name people I know who fall into that category and I am sure I am not alone.

Is there not a lot of people who have kids but as time goes on look back and think that maybe they shouldn't?

I hear quite a lot "don't get me wrong, I love my kids but if I had my time again I probably wouldn't"

Also the most stress free and happiest people I know are either childless or their children have flew the nest.

Lots of people have kids without really thinking about it, the cost, the lack of freedom, the potential lack of intimacy with their partner, the lack of time to do anything other than be a parent etc etc. But the thing with kids is that there's no turning back.

I'm not saying you're incorrect by the way, just that what you've said can be reversed to those that have kids too.
 
Is there not a lot of people who have kids but as time goes on look back and think that maybe they shouldn't?

I hear quite a lot "don't get me wrong, I love my kids but if I had my time again I probably wouldn't"

Also the most stress free and happiest people I know are either childless or their children have flew the nest.

Lots of people have kids without really thinking about it, the cost, the lack of freedom, the potential lack of intimacy with their partner, the lack of time to do anything other than be a parent etc etc. But the thing with kids is that there's no turning back.

I'm not saying you're incorrect by the way, just that what you've said can be reversed to those that have kids too.

Bloody hell - its not that bad. if I had any advise to future parents - I would say have them young - 22 to 28 and by the time you are 40 you are still youngish and your kids are with you as young mates. Your life doesn't stop when you have kids.
 
That's great, but people saying "you'll change your mind" is bullshit. And for all the reasons I've stated.

I don't want kids. I hate the fucking things.

I don't like other people kids that much - different to your own. Times how you feel about your Dog x 10. I am guessing you are in your early 30s? I had a mate very similar to you - working in Dubai and then Hong Kong. Spoke just like you and now I have not seen him for years but he is in his 60s but still a mate on Facebook and has knocked 4 kids out in the last ten years, makes me laugh - every time I log on he has another.

I can see both sides. I am actually looking forward to when mine are a little older as I will have more freedom to travel easier. That is one of the big issues for me.
 
Is there not a lot of people who have kids but as time goes on look back and think that maybe they shouldn't?

I hear quite a lot "don't get me wrong, I love my kids but if I had my time again I probably wouldn't"

Also the most stress free and happiest people I know are either childless or their children have flew the nest.

Lots of people have kids without really thinking about it, the cost, the lack of freedom, the potential lack of intimacy with their partner, the lack of time to do anything other than be a parent etc etc. But the thing with kids is that there's no turning back.

I'm not saying you're incorrect by the way, just that what you've said can be reversed to those that have kids too.


The hardest decision i have had today is do i cook the dogs offal or pasta and tuna, beyond that tinkering with my sat setup and a bit of hoovering, bit of washing the pots then some bbq.
I can't deny it is lovely not having to keep an eye out for 3pm for the school run, doctor appointments etc fuck that xD
 
I'm another that,doesnt have any,doesnt ever want them,and cant be arsed with others talking about theirs.

And i detest leeches who have them,planned or otherwise........with no other intention than expecting taxpayers to look after the fucking things.
 
I'm another that,doesnt have any,doesnt ever want them,and cant be arsed with others talking about theirs.

And i detest leeches who have them,planned or otherwise........with no other intention than expecting taxpayers to look after the fucking things.

We knew you wouldn't have any! Goes without saying.
 
Too many people on the planet as there is, if you want a kid go down to the kiddy pound and get one that isnt wanted by its own parents. Otherwise put a johnny on the end of your cock.
 
That's great, but people saying "you'll change your mind" is bullshit. And for all the reasons I've stated.

I don't want kids. I hate the fucking things.

No one can tell you or anyone else what they will do. I can say with confidence that people do change their minds and people that you never expected to have kids do so; although I am damn sure the urge tends to be stronger in the female of the species. As for hating kids, I know people who said that and meant it but still ended up having them. I think I spotted out of corner of my eye that someone else has already said, and I'm sure you have heard before, other people's kids and your own are two very different things.

Just to reiterate, I am not suggesting you or anyone else will or should change their mind. In fact, what I would say is do not have kids unless you really want them and are prepared for the worry and sacrifice that comes with them.
 
Is there not a lot of people who have kids but as time goes on look back and think that maybe they shouldn't?

I hear quite a lot "don't get me wrong, I love my kids but if I had my time again I probably wouldn't"

Also the most stress free and happiest people I know are either childless or their children have flew the nest.

Lots of people have kids without really thinking about it, the cost, the lack of freedom, the potential lack of intimacy with their partner, the lack of time to do anything other than be a parent etc etc. But the thing with kids is that there's no turning back.

I'm not saying you're incorrect by the way, just that what you've said can be reversed to those that have kids too.

As I said to SWP, I would not recommend to anyone to have them if they don't really want them. My daughters will, for instance, have cost my wife and me a small fortune by the time they leave full time education and that equals a lot of sacrifices but if I could turn the clock back, I would not change our decision; my wife, she'd have had more.

We had kids late so we'd been married ten years and a couple for over 15 before we had them so we had got plenty of things out of our system, as it were, before we tackled family life.
 
I'm another that,doesnt have any,doesnt ever want them,and cant be arsed with others talking about theirs.

And i detest leeches who have them,planned or otherwise........with no other intention than expecting taxpayers to look after the fucking things.
Definitely going to have to get Mrs Riot and Mrs FI together to keep them as unbroody as possible!
 

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