Liverpool (A) | PL | Post-Match Thread

[Frankie lad]

Maybe it would have made no difference but maybe it would.Why didn’t we play in sky blue?

 

[Dribble]

I've no complaints with the disallowed goal & Cancelo was probably fucked regardless of what he did for the Salah goal. I had a feeling of foreboding, because of the starting 11 & formation, & so it played out.

I said at the start of this campaign that Gomez, Akanji, Philips & Alvarez would be key this season, because the thing I feared most was injuries & suspensions etc.

With Walker out Cancelo would step in, but our original hope was to have Cucurella as LB. Gomez fucked his chances of starting after being sent off on Tuesday, & there was also probably a fear of Salah tearing him a new arsehole. Personally, I'd have started Akanji as RB & moved Cancelo to LB.

The formation seemed a bit all over the place & it left KDB on the periphery marooned on the right. Again, personally I'd have gone with Grealish, Haaland & Foden across the front, Rodri, Silva & KDB in midfield & Cancelo, Laporte, Dias & Akanji in defence.

Shit happens, we pick ourselves up, redouble our efforts & go again. Fuckin gutted...

 

[spacecadet]

They've put out a statement condemning songs sung about Hillsborough from the away end and graffiti in the concourse. Which is fair enough.

No statement condemning the coin throwing though.

Remember loads of Munich chants at that dump up to 1989. Oh and 27 seconds of silence managed at HM Queen death. Shameful inbred cunts.

 

[Ajm1985]

I don't think we pressed at all today, they passed out from the back very easily

Having KDB at RW didn't help with that - he's better at secondary pressing, rather than leading it. Haaland seems knackered as well

 

[Gus Fring]

Virtually every time we play at their place we gift them a fucking goal. How the fuck can WE have an attacking free kick, and once its taken the next touch we get is getting out of the net, joke goal and awful defending from Cancelo, the last man can not defend like that.

Not defending his mistake in the slightest, I get we had an attacking free kick beforehand which like every set piece today was absolutely shit but Akanji or Ake should be covering there for me with their centre back experience, leaving Salah one on one with arguably our worst ‘defensive defender’ was a tactical mistake for me.

 

[come-on-barney]

We miss Stonesy, by far our best defender and playing out from the back.

 

[BlueHammer85]

You probably missed the context then if you didn't watch the full game.
As you missed the game what happened was the referee has been letting the game flow allowing contact and physical challenges, he spots two players tussling for the ball, one uses his arm and upper body to unbalance the opposition player who loses balance and grabs the opposite players shirt while stumbling. The stumbling player plays the ball on and a goal is scored. The VAR team then decides to refer the referee to look at the monitor to review the goal decision he has made due to this tussling for the ball. The contact and "shirt pull" was nothing more extreme than had been going on all game and had no effect in the outcome of the fight for the ball (the player who was 'held back' was already falling and had lost control of the ball at that point).
In your opinion was the VAR operator right to call this as a "clear and obvious" error and to use his powers to effectively re-referee an ongoing game? If a referee has allowed a physical and robust match does the VAR operative have the authority to overrule the onfield referee when a goal has been scored after a period of play that has involved the same level of physical play that has been ongoing all match? At what point does an onfield referees decisions in allowing a physical contest become "clear and obvious" errors?
I agree with the Thiago red card though, he was flying in and would probably have deserved a yellow but as he slipped it wasn't in his control at that point so no card required in my opinion.

I thought Haaland forcefully pulls him back on his shirt In the lead up and that’s simply a foul and it looked pretty clear and obvious on the reply (soon as it was shown in pub everyone said ‘fuck sake that’s a foul it won’t be given) ‘fuck sake’ because even down in Kent no one wants Liverpool to win
- so yes I do think it’s right VAR intervene when they spot a foul in lead up to goal regardless if the ref has let a lot go throughout the game

Regardless of VAR , the referee still makes the ultimate call and he saw it on monitor and gave the decision

* where I am unsure though, is at what phase do they bring the game back, as a lot happened after that Haaland foul, so that side of argument could be argued more

**also, again, just to add, I was tagged in to give my opinion

 

[manimanc]

I've read enough sorry excuses on here. Get yourself pissed, get to bed and wake up better for it. At the end of the day we conceded a solitary goal to a world class player. I still love City just as much as ever and i always will.

CTID

Well said my friend.

 

[coolcity]

Show me a top draw LB who is a shit hot defender???

Problem is all these RB or LB are now wing backs who are far far better going fwd & when it comes to the odd game & they have to defend more they become unstuck & get torn a new arsehole by these top FWD's in the world today

Alphonso Davies, Dani Alvez, Walker, Trent/Robertson, James, Peredes etc all love going fwd but all have defensive frailties

It's only a problem when it happens in these big games otherwise Cancelo has 9/10 game week in week out

If we had signed Cucurella, Raum or Chillwell it wouldn't matter imo

I would have Cancelo all day every day even if we see the odd fuck up

We had chances to win those games whether Cancelo fucked it or not just like the games in the last few seasons problem is as a team & that inc Pep we fucking mess it up & we can't seem to shake it off

Has it cost us the league today no but in Cup football it certainly does

Take our chances & we are talking about 16 point gap.

Move on

Totally agree, but I would add that for people to expect 100% perfection 100% of the time are going to continue to be disappointed for the rest of their lives. It would also soon become very boring if we won every match we ever played.

Errors are part of the game, because it's played and refereed by humans. They need to sort out what is a foul and what is a clear and obvious error though, and who is actually referring the game.

 

[danielwood5]

I think the "clear and obvious" stuff is a bit of a red herring, and has taken on a mythology of its own. The ref wouldn't have seen the shirt pull in real time. He was told to look at it, and when you see it on the replay it's a foul every day of the week.

If it's a foul "every day of the week" why don't we see huge numbers of penalties from pretty much every corner taken on the game? Or loads of free kicks every 5 minutes in every game?

 

[bondsman]

More I watch that ‘foul’ more I agree with Micah they had to find an angle to disallow it. Taylor’s angle it doesn’t look a foul, only slowed down from one angle did it suit the agenda. There are four subsequent passes I think and Alisson spills ball. May as well not have a ref on pitch and do it all remote with drone cameras.

 

[Atypical]

Don’t have much issue with the line up the back 3 nullified Liverpool and took the sting out of the game. When we switched to the back four took control after subduing the crowd.

 

[argyle]

We miss Stonesy, by far our best defender and playing out from the back.

Unfortunately he's seemingly made of glass.

 

[hilts]

It’s then gone to a Liverpool player, city player has took it off him, been played forward to Haaland, Alison has spilled it and Phil has scored. How far back do you think we should be going, out of interest?

I would take it back as far as if it was the other way round you wouldn't be complaining about it.

I often love the comments about deluded rags or scousers. How we laugh at their desperation. Some go on their forums and post their bias on here. And then a game like this happens and surprise surprise some ie you are no better than them.

If you don't want to give a foul for pulling a shirt don't pull on a fucking shirt. Its that straight forward really.

 

[Nellies left peg]

He had a hand full of shirt and he fell... You know full well you'd be crying foul if the roles were reversed. I know I'm biased toward City but a group is a foul. It's so much easier to watch and enjoy/ appreciate the game without the thick City lenses.

I’m not watching with my blue specs on, we were shit today and didn’t deserve anything out of the game.

 

[coolcity]

I thought Haaland forcefully pulls him back on his shirt In the lead up and that’s simply a foul and it looked pretty clear and obvious on the reply (soon as it was shown in pub everyone said ‘fuck sake that’s a foul it won’t be given) ‘fuck sake’ because even down in Kent no one wants Liverpool to win
- so yes I do think it’s right VAR intervene when they spot a foul in lead up to goal regardless if the ref has let a lot go throughout the game

Regardless of VAR , the referee still makes the ultimate call and he saw it on monitor and gave the decision

The problem I have is what's the point of "letting things go" to let the game flow, if the end result from the passage of play is that a goal is scored which is then going to be chalked off? You might as well just instruct the ref to give the foul in the first place. But on top of that, you need to give EVERY shirt pull as a foul. You get dozens of them in every game, but it seems it's only a foul if it results in a goal.

 

[chaddblue]

They've put out a statement condemning songs sung about Hillsborough from the away end and graffiti in the concourse. Which is fair enough.

No statement condemning the coin throwing though.

What songs about Hillsborough?

 

[The Light Was Yellow Sir]

I would take it back as far as if it was the other way round you wouldn't be complaining about it.

I often love the comments about deluded rags or scousers. How we laugh at their desperation. Some go on their forums and post their bias on here. And then a game like this happens and surprise surprise some ie you are no better than them.

If you don't want to give a foul for pulling a shirt don't pull on a fucking shirt. Its that straight forward really.

It’s not that mate. It’s that the ‘how far back you go’ needs clarifying. If it’s until you find an offence, that’s fine. The fact that nobody knows is all you need to know really. BTW, I’m far from deluded about stuff that happens to city as opposed to stuff that doesn’t but I will admit I’m confused by the parameters currently in play.

 

[coolcity]

It’s then gone to a Liverpool player, city player has took it off him, been played forward to Haaland, Alison has spilled it and Phil has scored. How far back do you think we should be going, out of interest?

I think you're right, there has to be a point at which you ask how much it affected the play. If it has then the ref should give the foul and scrap this idea of letting the game flow.

 

[BlueHammer85]

The problem I have is what's the point of "letting things go" to let the game flow, if the end result from the passage of play is that a goal is scored which is then going to be chalked off? You might as well just instruct the ref to give the foul in the first place. But on top of that, you need to give EVERY shirt pull as a foul. You get dozens of them in every game, but it seems it's only a foul if it results in a goal.

It’s a good point - I’ve seen teams foul and then go on a counter attack looking like they’ll score and think, even if they do this is getting chalked off.

Problem is, hard to stop a free flowing attack if the ref hasn’t spotted and the VAR team maybe have got it wrong - better to check after the outcome (be safe) than sorry (if they got it wrong)