Liverpool Post Match

I now have the same sick feeling in my stomach I had when we lost away to Arsenal 1-0 three seasons ago (which was not helped by the Balotelli meltdown and sending off - remember?). We came back to win the league against all odds that time but I can't see it happening again and to be frank we don't deserve it because that performance now follows a long string of cowardly performances against the top teams in recent years, its as if we are still carrying a deep seated inferiority complex against our 'betters' and we can't get over it: the Liverpool, Chelsea and Arsenal fans carry great optimism into every game they play against us, and it isn't hard to see why.

That said we never do well at Anfield or Highbury and so its honestly hard to judge exactly what today means, especially when you throw in two completely unstoppable shots from outside the box that Hart could do absolutely nothing about: you cannot account for goals like that - its just amazing how much luck Liverpool have against us.

Like some on here, I'm kind of getting sick about reading about formations: 4-4-2 versus 4-5-1 etc . When we won the Prem first time around, is it me, or it did only really click when we had Tevez and Aguero scampering around as the '2' upfront in a 4-4-2. ( Lucky for us that Balotelli got sent off in that Arsenal game as it became the only option left to Mancini and we never looked back.)

You can only play the formations that your players let you play, and I think what people really mean when they say play 4-5-1 is that they recognise that Dzeko simply isn't good enough against top opposition: if not why not say that up front? i.e.

"I want 4-5-1 because Dzeko is not good enough": that makes sense to me rather than I want 4-5-1 (followed by nothing else said.)

Sadly I'm starting to wonder if with Bony, we are going to find the same outcome as with Dzeko. and maybe in reality Aguero is actually best paired with a highly mobile runner, rather than a tall target man: it could be an expensive way to find out but I'd rather see Bony from the start in future rather than in desperation with 10 minutes left.

I'm glad we've already won the title twice, (and only just in each case) because after today, you'd think we'd never get the damn thing over the line.
 
southamptonblue said:
What pisses me off is that im not pissed off at all..............said we'd be lucky to scrape a point in pre-match and got called a flapper.

It's not flapping, it just seemed to me to be stating the obvious........and tbh didn't think for a second during the game we would get anything from it.

You did say that mate and I was in agreement.Neither of us were 'flapping'....... we were concerned at the outcome that his line up would produce......unfortunately,we were both right.
 
EaglesFan said:
And THAT, my friends, should kill the biggest MYTH around here - that we are better going 4-5-1...

We are just not built for it, and we invite MORE pressure, while losing any kind of edge going forward.

People keep calling for it is a joke...oh, well...

It's funny to me that people still keep calling for it...we conceeded in 4-5-1 and even WORSE - we looked like DOG SHIT (again, for good knows xth time) while playing in that formation.

It's easy to be smartass about the formation (which is fine) - when in fact we are having multiple PLAYER issues this season...starting with our captain.
 
bluemoon98 said:
Title not gone imo - we've fought back twice and won the title each time. We can do the same again.

Won't happen but Kompany should be dropped might help him like it worked with Joe.


Bony needs to start scoring - its alright saying hes only getting 20 mins a game but he needs to have shots atleast for god's sake!

Fair one, in my own opinion, he should be in double figures by now
 
kupest said:
EaglesFan said:
And THAT, my friends, should kill the biggest MYTH around here - that we are better going 4-5-1...

We are just not built for it, and we invite MORE pressure, while losing any kind of edge going forward.

People keep calling for it is a joke...oh, well...


THANK YOU ! Hopefully gets into the heads of everyone who are on about the team and formation selection ! There is no way we can play a 4-5-1 with Aguero (there is no way out). If we have to play Aguero we have to play 4-4-2.

No formation works when the players don't have the desire for the fight. Today they didn't and we rightly lost. Seemed to work ok when we had no strikers, even with Milner playing up front.

I agree with Rodgers. Liverpool were excellent considering they played in Turkey on Thursday and only got in bed at 6am Friday morning. We had a wonderful opportunity today and we blew it. Story of our season sadly and that's pretty much it for this season. No chance in Barca with that defence and we look more likely to throw away 2nd than catch Chelsea.
 
Craig said:
The most ridiculous thing is that people (including the manager) seem to think that pushing Silva up is much different in terms of formation than if it's Dzeko up there with Aguero. It doesn't make us any more solid in the centre of the park and just gives us no out ball and starves Sergio of the ball in decent areas.when we are playing teams who press us like Liverpool and Arsenal we just can't get out. If he'd tried against a much better prrssing team like Barca we'd have barely got in their half.

That doesn't mean I think Dzeko should start in these type of games either I'm just pointing out his plan B is shite too.

You're bang on the money fella, the problem was and has been the huge spaces between our midfield and centre halves, putting Silva in a number 10 position does the root of fuck all, we were worse after the change, Kompany then feels the need to defend on the front foot and support the midfield which leaves Mangala on his own especially with the full backs trying to get back in position

Toure is getting a bit of stick for losing the ball but we were behind and he wanted to pass the ball but litrally had no one to give it to, tactically the whole thing was a mess made worse by bad subs, there was no system in place at the end, i actually think the players were desperate to win but the manager gave them no chance

I would be very pissed off as a player especially Sergio he deserves a lot better than this
 
Got to give a lot of credit to Liverpool and especially Rodgers today. He really is showing that he is one of the best young managers in the game.

I know he bottled the title last year but to get Liverpool in that position in the first place was impressive and today they have just dismantled us. All whilst bringing through and buying young homegrown talent.

Imagine what Aguero, Silva and Yaya could do if they were surrounded by the likes of Sterling and Coutinho. The difference is we would rather spend £12 million on shite like Fernando than give young players a chance.
 
I know the 442 puts lead in Pellers pencil but against sides like Liverpool why not play a one striker system (433/4321/451) to get Kun a little more service and our best players on the ball.

-------------Kun-----------------
------Nasri-------Silvito------ (floating)*
--Milner------------Yaya------ (Yaya/Milner pushing forward, and tracking back...if that's still possible for Yaya)
-----Fernando/dinho------- (preferable Dinho, Fernando still hasn't fully gained my trust)
--LB-----CB--------CB----RB-
--------------J. Hart------------

***Not much width (throw on Navas is we need width, (our full backs get forward like its in written in their contacts they will be released if the don't) nor huge amounts of cover but we'd control the game and the possession. This system is predicated on Yaya showing up like he wants to play by the way, which I know is not always the case.

Is playing everyone at their natural position in a formation that isn't viewed as "old fashion and dogmatic" such a terrible thing? Why not give it a try? the 422 hasnt been working too well for us recently. Especially with the Bone-boy yet to make any sort of contribution.
 
i8rags said:
It's not just the system it's the players in it, Nasri offers fuck all, Silva takes little kit Kat moments, Kompany has been off form for some time, Zabba is blue through and through but is limited, yaya is half the player he was, I keep hearing ffp has had an effect, I disagree, it's the way our money was spent, Fernando, Mangala, Fernandinho, Jovetic, Caballero, Bony, are a waste of money at a time when we should of been prudent. Compare it to Hazzard, Costa, Fabregas, Courtois, Matic. It's a joke.
have to agree our signings have been a massive disappointment when you compare them to Maureens
 

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