Liverpool Thread - 2022/23

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If fans stop the game from occurring, nobody has forfeited anything bud

I cba checking the rules, but I’d guess there’s 2 separate punishments for failure to complete a game & a forfeit as they’re 2 completely different things

Disagree Maly, it is the clubs responsibility to ensure the game can go ahead if their fans stop it due to them not having the required controls in place then they have to forfeit the match due to them not having the required controls in place. However as it is the rags any issues just get swept under the carpet anyway.
 
Desperate for those points


I remember watching the match against Juventus in Heysel where the match was played despite the unbelievable and appalling mayhem going on.
The game should start as scheduled imo, but if the protest causes the match to be abandoned during the game, THEN, they should get the points.
Rag 'supporters' need to get a grip, as do the security people at the swamp.
 
sick bags available upon request.........

There was slight apprehension within our group as we set off for Cologne. We were, after all, foreign football fans with no particular affiliation towards FC Koln.

But that apprehension evaporated swiftly when we explained we were, in one word, Liverpool.

The attention and respect that one word garners is both empowering and humbling in equal measure.

Within those nine letters comes over a hundred years of history. That word represents Liddell, Hughes, Dalglish, Rush, Hansen, Gerrard and Torres; it's synonymous with 18 league titles, five European Cups, Rome, Dortmund, Istanbul and decades of forging friendships through our behaviour abroad.

Nothing betters going away to watch your football team play renowned European teams with illustrious histories and traditions, safe in the knowledge those sides are just as eager to play our legendary club.

Friendships are made and anecdotes are formed to be retold through the generations - it's the essence of Liverpool Football Club and its supporters.

With our original Koln acquaintances now doubling as both a tour guide and ringmaster through the streets near the RhineEnergieStadion, word spread of our heritage.

An inundation of requests to sing You'll Never Walk Alone soon followed, as did the offer to pose for photographs - photographs that would no doubt decorate a pub similar to the one we sat it.

It was at that point I realised just what a special entity supporters of Liverpool Football Club are. It was at also at that point I realised what a special city we are.

I said in a previous column how the city and the club are an organic process. Neither would have the reputation it does without the other.

It's a football club which has always tried its best to stand by Shankly's beliefs of socialism; it's a city which has always strived to help each other.

That's why it was poetic Shankly stood with his arms outstretched on St George's Hall in 1971, and not on the steps of Anfield. He wasn't embracing Liverpool Football Club alone - the show of strength before him was that of a city.

It's the reason why we have Spirit of Shankly, a supporters' union named after the great man himself - a union which has always acted with the fans and the city at heart; a union which does a lot of work for the local community, and a lot of work for the city.

It's the reason why hundreds of thousands welcomed the football club home after Rome, Wembley, Paris and Istanbul, proud of what they'd achieved as a city and for their city.

It's the reason why most fans we meet reserve that special respect for us. Language barriers are torn down to share our stories of following the Reds home and abroad.

And it's also the reason why we told those Koln supporters that we were Scouse, not English.

With such a strong loyalty to both our football team and our city, it's difficult for me, and several other supporters I know, to conserve any energy for the national side.

Those on the outside will regard it as insular. For me, it's more about celebrating my city and my heritage. It's about celebrating my beliefs.

Supporting Liverpool is supporting a football club like no other. It's not just a job every Saturday or Sunday afternoon. Supporting Liverpool Football Club defines who you are as a football supporter and as a person. Every positive gesture will maintain our reputation or cause a rethink to those who have us wrong.

It's why we're proud of our club, our city and our people, because they all work together to preserve that reputation.
Astonishing
 
I genuinely believe that this match will not go ahead, there are enough clues to have an educated guess.

The rags are spitting their dummies out, not often I would say this if ever but if it happens give the scousers the points and give the rags a big point deduction.
 
Seem to remember one of Bill Shanks quotes being cult like.
He said that some people think football is a matter of life or death whereas actually it is much more serious than that.
“Some people believe that football[soccer] is a matter of life and death. I'm very disappointed with that attitude. I can assure you it is much more important than that.”

“Above all, I would like to be remembered as a man who was selfless, who strove and worried so that others could share the glory, and who built up a family of people who could hold their heads up high and say 'We're Liverpool'.”

“Forget the Beatles and all the rest. This is the real Liverpool sound. It's real singing, and it's what the Kop is all about.”

In April 1973, when Shankly and the team were showing off the League Championship trophy to the fans on the Kop, he saw a policeman fling aside a Liverpool scarf which had been thrown in Shankly's direction. Shankly retrieved the scarf and wore it. He said to the policeman: "Don't you do that. That's precious".

"In all sincerity, I can say that they are the greatest crowd of supporters in the game"

"Liverpool is not only a club. It’s an institution. And my aim was to bring the people close to the club and the team and for them to be accepted part of it. The effect was that wives brought their late husband's ashes to Anfield and scattered them on the pitch after saying a little prayer. I said to them: ‘In you come, you’re welcome’, and they trotted in by the dozen. One young boy got killed at his work and a bus load of 50 people came to Anfield one Sunday to scatter his ashes at the Kop end. So people not only support Liverpool when they’re alive. They support them when they are dead. This is the true story of Liverpool. This is possibly why Liverpool are so great. There is no hypocrisy about it. It is sheer honesty."

I'm sure he said all these things with honesty and integrity. It does give some context as to why they feel 'special'. Of course he famously fell out with Liverpool after his retirement believing that they should have treated him in the same way as Busby was treated at United.
 
Right, what's the theme for tomorrow then? Zebras again, majestic gazelles, the musky warthog? Maybe a full lion king street performance? I don't think they'll protest anyway, at least not beyond a few banners and nursery rhymes before, during and after the game where they'll call the glazers for not spending whilst simultaneously talking up Casemiro and pretending Maguire, Ronaldo and Sancho didn't happen.

But if the match did get called off, surely there'd have to be punishment for United as it would be wholly irresponsible to let a clubs fans constantly dictate a fixture schedule. I'd prefer they have to play the match behind closed doors in that case, otherwise it would give Liverpool an edge with more rest time, but I think there would have to be a very strong case for a fine and points deduction.

If they'd only acted last time with a suspended points deduction, then there'd be no threat of a protest now, the police wouldn't need additional plans and cost savings and safety would be promoted. Instead they have this weak threat which just undermines the league's authority.

Although I would love seeing them on minus ten points, I think that same United pressure internally within the corridors of the fa and premier league means it's not a possibility. It ensures they'd have a bottom half finish and lose revenues.

But for Liverpool, make them play it. Can't legitimately win the league having played 37 games. No wonder Klopp loves the idea.
A squadron of Warthogs should be enough to disperse the protestors.
 
Couple of hundred protesters annoying 70 odd thousand fans (or possibly 70 thousand odd fans) is not always a good idea. It was easy for a game behind closed doors. Also, there will be a significantly greater police and security presence.
 
Really? So if Liverpool have loads of injuries with one game to go, which they need to win to stay above City, decide not to play that game as they have loads of injuries & play it the following week & win, you think that only warrants a fine?

For me, if you can’t complete the fixture, the opposition gets the points & you get docked points, is 100% the correct outcome, which is exactly what happens in amateur football
Simple. They have an outbreak of Covid. They have form for this.
 
I remember watching the match against Juventus in Heysel where the match was played despite the unbelievable and appalling mayhem going on.
The game should start as scheduled imo, but if the protest causes the match to be abandoned during the game, THEN, they should get the points.
Rag 'supporters' need to get a grip, as do the security people at the swamp.

There’s a quote you won’t hear repeated from the Dipper mouth pieces.
 
Does anyone know what the actual punishments under the PL rules are?
All it says is:

L.2.
Each Club shall use its best endeavours to ensure that each League Match takes place on the date and at the time fixed for it.
Guıdance
Clubs are reminded of their obligation pursuant to Rule L.2 to use their best endeavours to ensure that all League Matches take place on the date and at the kick-off time fixed for them. Pursuant to this, Clubs are expected to do all they can to address any concerns raised by a statutory authority.
Rules: Section L
Failure to Play a League Match
L.15.
Except in the case of a League Match which, without either of the participating Clubs being at fault, is postponed or abandoned under the provisions of Rule L.12, any Club which causes the postponement or abandonment of a League Match on the date fixed under Rule L.1 or to which it is rearranged under Rules L.1.2, L.6 or L.7 will be in breach of these Rules.

And that’s pretty much the top and bottom of all it says about not fulfilling fixtures.

L.7.
A Club may apply to the Board for permission to rearrange any fixture so that it is played on a different date or at a different kick-off time.

L.12.
A League Match shall not be postponed or abandoned except:
L.12.1. when on the date fixed for it to be played either the Home Club or the Visiting Club is competing in a competition permitted by Rules L.9.1, L.9.2, and L.9.3;
L.12.2. with the approval of or on the instructions of the officiating referee;
L.12.3. by order of the police;
L.12.4. by order of any other authority exercising its statutory powers to that effect; or
L.12.5. on the instructions of or with the prior written consent of the Board.
L.13.
Where it is proposed to postpone a League Match pursuant to Rule L.12.4 on the grounds of safety, the appropriate Official of the Home Club shall:
L.13.1. complete and make available on request to the League all relevant risk assessment documentation; and
L.13.2. time permitting, consult with the officiating referee, the police and the chairman of the Club’s safety advisory group and ensure that the match delegate appointed to attend the League Match pursuant to Rule L.17 is fully briefed as to the reasons for the postponement.

All seems very laidback and blasé. “Can’t fulfil your fixture? Oh well, never mind. Just apply to have it on another day. Don’t worry there’s no punishment!”.
 
I used to think this should apply to every Premier League game, but The Etihad is infested with the fuckers as much as any other PL ground.
I once bought a half and half scarf!
It was at the game at Lech Poznan.
The reason I bought it was because, it was for me, a special occasion, an away match in Europe.
So I wanted a memento and bought a miniature scarf which I gave to my lad on returning to England.
I think for most half and half wearers it is probably a similar thing. People, supporters of the game, rather than any particular club, who went to a special event and don't favour either side in particular.
They don't mean any harm I would suppose. These people have no idea about our relationship with the rags for example, or say arse/spuds or blue/red dipper rivalries. They just want a memory of going to a 'big game'.
Just smile rather than mock.
 
I used to think this should apply to every Premier League game, but The Etihad is infested with the fuckers as much as any other PL ground.
Chelsea had the right idea…

 
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