Liverpool Thread - 2022/23

[goalmole]

That's democracy for you

Crowning someone king on the basis of hereditary privilege definitely isn't.
That's why it's wrong and that's why people shouldn't respect it.

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

If that was the case, why are the dippers booing GSTK seeing as its several governments that are at fault.

Because, as I said, it represents the establishment. Are you suggesting it doesn’t?

 

[shackattack]

If they're booing the anthem down to personal choice/ hatred of the establishment and monarchy then I have no issue with that. But the impression I get is they're doing it as they believe it's part of the matchday experience and makes them edgy and controversial. By doing that they're bringing an element of shame on the city and club. A big part of their fanbase are from outside the city and few will have been affected by government decisions decades ago.

They purport to be this unique socialist club and maybe amongst their older fanbase that was true, I went school with many who were politically left wing but their fanbase now is totally different. They priced the local working class fans out of the stadium and they're not unique in that but they cling onto anti establishment mantra which leaves them open to massive claims of hypocrisy.

 

[bobbyowenquiff]

:)

People who agree with you are sane and people who don't agree with you presumably aren't? Not sure there is much point discussing respect with someone who has that basic principle.

Anyway, just for the record, I am not a monarchist, particularly, but I try to be a decent human being. Not much of a thing these days, but I am old .....

There is not much space for the centre ground these days. The country has been split apart by tribal politics. This doesn't usually end well.

 

[Dazzle84]

Got no problem with them booing the national anthem and wish more would do the same. They're making a protest about an archaic relic and without those protests nothing will ever change.

The fact that the Met saw fit to arrest and detain republican demonstrators yesterday says it all to me - absolutely disgusting

 

[Tolmie scores]

Crowning someone king on the basis of hereditary privilege definitely isn't.
That's why it's wrong and that's why people shouldn't respect it.

spot on, why are so shit scared to stand up for ourselves and have done with this ridiculous privilege....ii mean its like awarding the lottery to the same family each week! utter nonsense

 

[shackattack]

I bet you hate the 1 in the middle less

Close call but I probably hate Thatcher more. Paisley was a decent man, Emlyn was a total cnut !!

 

[Tolmie scores]

Got no problem with them booing the national anthem and wish more would do the same. They're making a protest about an archaic relic and without those protests nothing will ever change.

The fact that the Met saw fit to arrest and detain republican demonstrators yesterday says it all to me - absolutely disgusting

this is what we should be protesting about, arresting people for having a placard in the hands. Slippery slope. in all of these places such as the met they have massive portraits of the monarch on the wall. makes joining an establishment like that problematic for many. You end up with a tribe / cult - which a lot of people tar Liverpool with on here so what's the answer, try and create a fair inclusive society...like a republic may be?

 

[Tolmie scores]

For me, because it remains part of the identity of this country which can be traced back over a thousand years.

You can't choose your family, nor the place you are born, but you can still find pride in all that it stands for and the many components that make this country a place to live in which many people die trying to get here.

I agree everyone has the right to free thought, and for me the right to question it and think that the current model is shit and backward

 

[Tolmie scores]

Im the same, I take nothing from the royal family - neither pride nor distain - but I respectfully keep my mouth shut for those who do.

My dad was in the military for over 25 years and in his mind he fought for his queen - how can I not at least keep my thoughts to myself when appropriate and respect ppl like that, who put their lives on the line for us.

Did he really sign up for the queen? or to see the world, learn a trade have a laugh, protect mates? just a genuine question i think all the above aside from queenie is fair. I mean tbh they wouldn't put your dad out f he was on fire tbh, his mates would. Maybe he would have ran around protected an unelected extremely wealthy lady but then again maybe not

 

[Prestwich_Blue]

Got no problem with them booing the national anthem and wish more would do the same. They're making a protest about an archaic relic and without those protests nothing will ever change.

The fact that the Met saw fit to arrest and detain republican demonstrators yesterday says it all to me - absolutely disgusting

Both are just posturing. I'm not an ardent monarchist by any means but whether we have a hereditary monarchy or not makes little or no practical difference to anyone's day-to-day life.

 

[goalmole]

this is what we should be protesting about, arresting people for having a placard in the hands. Slippery slope. in all of these places such as the met they have massive portraits of the monarch on the wall. makes joining an establishment like that problematic for many. You end up with a tribe / cult - which a lot of people tar Liverpool with on here so what's the answer, try and create a fair inclusive society...like a republic may be?

By the people, for the people.
In any country it should be all about the people.
If you look into the base cause of poverty around the world, it isn't a lack of resources that is the cause, it is establishments and elites usurping the rights of their populations and keeping them illiterate and powerless in order to exploit them.
You can see signs of it creeping into the body politic of this country day by day.

 

[meeesh]

If they're booing the anthem down to personal choice/ hatred of the establishment and monarchy then I have no issue with that. But the impression I get is they're doing it as they believe it's part of the matchday experience and makes them edgy and controversial. By doing that they're bringing an element of shame on the city and club. A big part of their fanbase are from outside the city and few will have been affected by government decisions decades ago.

They purport to be this unique socialist club and maybe amongst their older fanbase that was true, I went school with many who were politically left wing but their fanbase now is totally different. They priced the local working class fans out of the stadium and they're not unique in that but they cling onto anti establishment mantra which leaves them open to massive claims of hypocrisy.

That’s exactly the reason they did it

 

[Tolmie scores]

Wheres our freedom of speech to sing 'always the victims'

This is completely different surely you see that? Don't get me wrong i think manty Liverpool fans are trying too hard to create some sort of rebel image. I'm a staunch republic, so just wouldn't get anywhere near the anthem, wouldn't boo though as there are people who love it. But to criticise republicans because they don't believe n the monarchy is a dangerous slippery slope, Met arresting people for the way they were 'thinking' yesterday is prime example

 

[HolisticJim]

Did he really sign up for the queen? or to see the world, learn a trade have a laugh, protect mates? just a genuine question i think all the above aside from queenie is fair. I mean tbh they wouldn't put your dad out f he was on fire tbh, his mates would. Maybe he would have ran around protected an unelected extremely wealthy lady but then again maybe not

It doesn't matter what I think, or reasons for this or that - what matters to him is his queen. In his words 'I fought for my queen'.

So as much I don't disagree with you, I would guess that a lot of former military people feel the same and have earned me keeping my mouth closed for the national anthem.

 

[Tolmie scores]

That’s exactly the reason they did it

I don't know maybe a % either way how do we know motives of individuals we haven't met - agree though that i bet there is a % that are trying to create some sort of image - if so that's pathetic. Others may have really strong feelings about tax payers money going to this fancy dress sham when Nurses are genuinely struggling ..just saying

 

[Tolmie scores]

It doesn't matter what I think, or reasons for this or that - what matters to him is his queen. In his words 'I fought for my queen'.

So as much I don't disagree with you, I would guess that a lot of former military people feel the same and have earned me keeping my mouth closed for the national anthem.

Spot on pal.... that's what i mean so many have different motives, beliefs values. The right to voice these opinions is what makes a great free democracy. To criticise those who don't have same sentiments, and have the establishment shutting them down 9arests in London) is plain wrong and worrying

 

[halfcenturyup]

Discussing a mix of revolution and football reminded me of this ....

 

[Dazzle84]

Both are just posturing. I'm not an ardent monarchist by any means but whether we have a hereditary monarchy or not makes little or no practical difference to anyone's day-to-day life.

I get that, but having a 70-odd year old man child being proclaimed as better than everyone else whilst he's got a gold hat on his head pisses people off. It might make minimal difference, but the optics of it are enough for people to say 'not in my name'

 

[Tolmie scores]

Both are just posturing. I'm not an ardent monarchist by any means but whether we have a hereditary monarchy or not makes little or no practical difference to anyone's day-to-day life.

Tax payers money maybe?